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Maybe I'm wrong, but it's not listed under "allegiance abilities". And faction terrain is not automatically included, you "can" take it.

Are you sure? Numinous Occulum, Azerite ruins and all generic terrains are not included in the tome "pitched battle profiles", while faction terrains are... and that FAQ explicitly refers to terrains that have a pitched battle profile

even if, the entirety of the FAQ is rules. If they don't update an old FAQ it it's not my fault, it remains a rule unless clarified.

 

Please don't do this.

basically it's
rule 1: terrains are not part of the army
rule 2: you can include the terrain in your army

they collide, no doubt about it. We had various examples of colliding rules (Lord Kroak can cast multiple times the same spell - rule of one - warscrolls supersede general rule - no, kroak is subject to rule of one - … - and so on).
to me, any one that wrote faction terrain rules that explicitly say that terrains are included in the army, was wrong… or lazy because the general FAQ has not been updated.
So, my take is: terrains are not a part of your army, but you can field your faction terrains. But once fielded, they are "neutral", as all terrains are. Which explains also why my opponent can garrison the RE.

 

rule 1 - FAQ: terrains are not part of the army
rule 2 - Battletome: you can include the terrain in your army

hope this is clearer. The reast of the reasoning is unchanged and I'm going to quote it for the sake of simplicity:
the 2 rules collide, no doubt about it. We had various examples of colliding rules (Lord Kroak can cast multiple times the same spell - rule of one - warscrolls supersede general rule - no, kroak is subject to rule of one - … - and so on).
to me, any one that wrote faction terrain rules that explicitly say that terrains are included in the army, was wrong… or lazy because the general FAQ has not been updated.
So, my take is: terrains are not a part of your army, but you can field your faction terrains. But once fielded, they are "neutral", as all terrains are. Which explains also why my opponent can garrison the RE.

 

sweet jesus, apparently i'm not the only one who is stubborn.
I KNOW the page you are referring, right? i know it. And i also know that RAI you are right.

What I'm saying is that the previous FAQ states that terrains are not a part of the army.
They need to get rid of the FAQ, or update it. Because otherwise anyone will be able to pick the FAQ and say "this prevails"

By raw (the pag. 62), you cannot field a RE in a tournament where terrains are already placed. It's simple as that. But I bet the referees will allow you to do it. That FAQ is a weak point and anyone could use it as proof.


IMO, the most (and probably the only) valid reasoning would be that:
1 - the FAQ says "warscrolls are included for those instances when a spell or ability allows you to set up the terrain feature".
2 - If a terrain feature is fielded for a reason different than spells or abilitiies, the FAQ doesn't apply.
3 - the RE is not listed under "allegiance abilites", so the FAQ doesn't work in that case, and so the RE it's a part of the army, as written in the battletome.


but this needs to be the reasoning. To simply say "the FAQ is older" won't work by itself.

 

Faction terrains are terrains. in the warscrolls the keyword is "terrain", not "faction terrain"

I know, we are just debating over the usual mess in the rules. I think that debates like this happened since the 2nd WHFB edition.


An anyway, even if the RE is a part of your army, in all the rules for terrains "friendly unit" refers to the player who's actually controlling the objective. So a seraphon opponent that controls "your" terrain can use its entire abilities.