AoS Realmshaper Engine - Let's Crack It!

It's after deployment, only us and obr are before choosing sides

 

Haha I tricked you into getting -1 to hit and +1 save isn't really the kind of mind game that pays off. Can you imagine letting nagash get in there with a -1 to hit, 1+ rerollable save shooting arcane bolts 8 times a turn at +3 and healing 3 every turn, being able to charge out and murder anything that comes close and thinking you baited him into it

 

Haha, he's in a corner out of position, and now has wasted a turn of being in a box once they realize how restrictive being Garrisoned can be.
Course Nagash is a great model to go in there. Treat that as another part of the problem you have to solve with one of the tools being the engine. You're obviously not going to play it the same against Nagash as you are against Allarielle, or Tempest Eye, or any number of other builds.

Jfc, imagine thinking you'll never going to plan your strategy. Just throw it down and throw your army down. Only numbers matter.

Matter of fact, just let Nagash roll over you.

 

If you're just going to put out on a corner, they don't even need to garrison it to stop you using it. The sad fact is that it's too much of a liability to run in any vaguely competitive match. The best strat to beat things like nagash is not take it. I had 3 games on the weekend trying a competitive list and didn't win the sides roll once. If I had taken the engine, my opponents sound have had a much more solid base to defend from.

 

well ya if it's nagash cities or DoT then don't but it works fine against a melee army like gitz IJ DoK IDK FS FEC or some skaven lists it's just about when to put it on the table

 

So you are happy about getting a terrain piece that you purposely place to a far non-important corner of the table, just so you can “mind trick” your opponent?

I’ll echo what others have said - That is a terrible design. No faction terrain piece should come with such a “feels bad” moment attached to it. It should be awesome slapping your terrain down on the table, not a matter off “hmm where will this have the least amount of impact for my opponent” - You might as well not bring it in the first place then. If the location isnt important for your opponent, it likely wont be for you either.

It is honestly so baffling to read that some people find it OK and defend the design.

 

it's less defending it and more we have to work with what we have this isn't the first time GW has screwed us even in the new book. so we are trying to make the best of a bad situation and hope they fix it soon

 

All those armies you just listed can set up in the garrison of they win sides and its on the line and if it's on a corner, they can still deny you using it on a dice roll. If you do win the roll, you can garrison in a corner and be out of range of most terrain to be anything but 6s, abs of you deploy on the line, we don't really have anything that can stand up well to a turn 1 charge, even with the buffs from garrisoning, and we have a lot of drops now, we will rarely get to choose if we go first.

That's the thing, it's literally better to not work with what we have. Making the best of a bad situation is leaving it on the shelf

 

that was the point yes if they deside to garrison it you take that melee unit out of the fight even if just for 2 rounds thats not bad and if they don't then it's a big blocker for set up. some of the battle plans deployments are so small that you can keep them from deploying all of their army and they lose the units. do i wan't them to fix it? yes. is it useless? no you just have to be clever

 

Well whenever I play it is with both the new and the old scenery rules. We typically only have 6 "magical" terrain pieces, so the odds of getting 1 arcane isn't exactly high. Let alone have the terrain piece be in a deployment zone.

I'm pretty sure just about everyone would prefer if the terrain deployment rules were changed to after sides were picked. The only way to get changes in the FAQ/errata is to talk about it and let GW know through AoSFAQ@gwplc.com

If they settle on this little "mini game" with our terrain piece I'm all for trying to make the best of it, but I'd rather spend time trying to convince how bad the design is.

 

Yeah, honestly, even bigger problem in matched play is that you have to place the faction terrain in pitched battles after of other terrain, regardless of what battletome says. So, it is very easy for opponent to set up terrain in a way, when we literally cannot place it. Seems like it is not even inteded for pitched battles at all.

And the main bane of it is the garrison rule. We didn't need it much from the start, but MW for free could be handy. Garrison rule should be removed and the MW should be activated by seraphon wizard within 3" of the engine. This will make things way more interesting.

EDIT: Sorry, GHB doesn't state WHEN the terrain should be set up, only WHERE. Ignore the first part.

 

I'm talking scenery rules, like Overgrown, Damned, Arcane, Inspiring etc. We roll 1 D6 per terrain to determine if it is the new chart or old chart.

The community as a whole pretty much took a dump on the official deployment rules in the GHB2019, but from what I remember it is still officially 6 pieces of terrain. In any case, there is still very little chance that the terrain deployed in either deployment zone is arcane, so I dont get your point?

 

It would also make the LOS aspect of the terrain piece much more awesome. Imagine if you could place it before the first unit is set up. Your little dudes could sit behind and activate it.

Right now I fear all my support heroes will be gone turn 1 to OBR catapults. Even if garrisoned having +1 save and -1 to be hit on those Skink Priests etc. wont do much good when just 1 shot has to go through.

 

Until we get (or don’t get) a clarification from the FAQs, I think it’s premature to get too stuck in the weeds with this debate. Should be less than a week now.

 

I have honestly NEVER heard of anyone actually bringing their own terrain to the table until now.

Everywhere I play you pick 6 pieces and throw them around on the table until it looks decent. You then both agree it is fine, then roll for each piece to determine if it is Damned, Arcane, Overgrown, Volcanic etc. After that each guy rolls a dice and whoever gets the highest roll gets to pick a side.

It is the same for tournaments, nowhere do you get to bring your own stuff. It is generally 6 pieces with predetermined (random) scenery effects.