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8th Ed. Skrox Unit - Unique troop type?

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If a unit of Skinks and Kroxigors has the unit type Unique (as per V1.4 of the lizardman faq), then do the kroxigors in the second rank lose the monstrous support rule?

I've seen a lot of comments about the benefit of a unique unit type not being eligible to be stomped/thunderstomped as it isn't an infantry/war beast/swarm, but not about the drawback of not being a monstrous infantry for the purposes of making multiple attacks from the second rank.
 
They still get 3 attacks from the second rank....
it's the the lizardmen rules for kroxigor/skink units.
 
Actually, the "Great Reach" rule from the army book is also removed by the faq. Is there another rule that would let a kroxigor fight with more than one supporting attack from the second rank?

There's a set of rules that govern how different sized models rank up (which is necessary to get kroxigors to count as more than one model for the purpose of counting ranks as they aren't characters), but nothing I can find that allows them their full attacks.
 
I don't think there is anywhere in the books that says Unique units don't get supporting attacks. Krox are MI in the 2nd rank and therefore get 3 supporting attacks.
 
Brb page 81,
The monstrous support rule:
A monstrous infantry MODEL can make as many supporting attacks that are on its profile (emphasis mine)

Just because a Skrox unit is unique, this doesn't change the fact the Kroxgior model is still an monstrous infantry model (in a unique unit) therefore they make 3 attacks according to the rule I quoted above.


It's like a scar vet on a cold one in a saurus block, the rules state the unit is still an infantry unit but the scar vet is still a cavalry model.
 
It's hard to avoid the clear fact that the faq designates mixed units as troop type unique.

A unit doesn't have two troop types.

The entire reasoning for barring the unit from being subject to stomps is that the skinks are no longer troop type: infantry, they are troop type: unique and not subject to the stomp rule.

The same reasoning says that the kroxigors are no longer troop type: monstrous infantry, they are troop type: unique and no longer have the monstrous support rule.

When they faq declared them unique it limited them to the rules on page 87 of the brb, which directs us to look in their army book for their special rules. There's no argument for going back a few pages and using the monstrous support rule because that rule is for a unit of a type other than unique.

If they hadn't also faq'ed away the "Great Reach" rule there would be a rule in the lizardman book allowing them their full attacks from the second rank, but they did.

I'm not saying that it was the intention of the faq writer to eliminate the kroxigors extra supporting attacks, but I don't see how the skink's liability to being stomped goes away because it is type unique without the kroxigor's montrous support advantage going away because it is type unique.
 
Hey if you think that's bad,
we used to have a 7th ediition FAQ for parana blade + banehead that said 2x2=3,
thankfuly that fixed it for 8th edition FAQ to a more rational 2x2=4.
 
Rhodium is correct. Yes, by your reasoning, it could be interpreted that way. While there is nothing that says it is the case, there is nothing that says it is not the case.

It could be one of those things that needs another FAQ update to settle.
 
Indeed. If you want your head to spin a little more, here are some more things they could FAQ for Skrox:

Can a character join a Skrox unit?

Does an infantry character get a Look Out Sir save if its close enough to a Skrox unit?

Does the units own Skink Brave get a Look Out Sir save?
 
joshb said:
It's hard to avoid the clear fact that the faq designates mixed units as troop type unique.

A unit doesn't have two troop types.

The entire reasoning for barring the unit from being subject to stomps is that the skinks are no longer troop type: infantry, they are troop type: unique and not subject to the stomp rule.

The same reasoning says that the kroxigors are no longer troop type: monstrous infantry, they are troop type: unique and no longer have the monstrous support rule.

When they faq declared them unique it limited them to the rules on page 87 of the brb, which directs us to look in their army book for their special rules. There's no argument for going back a few pages and using the monstrous support rule because that rule is for a unit of a type other than unique.

If they hadn't also faq'ed away the "Great Reach" rule there would be a rule in the lizardman book allowing them their full attacks from the second rank, but they did.

I'm not saying that it was the intention of the faq writer to eliminate the kroxigors extra supporting attacks, but I don't see how the skink's liability to being stomped goes away because it is type unique without the kroxigor's montrous support advantage going away because it is type unique.
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Just accept that the skinks alone are Infantry and the Krox are Monstrous Infantry. Ofc. the krox get 3 attacks from the second rank. But the COMBINED unit is indeed unique because they are combined. It is clearly how it is meant to be played ;)

Quapacokos quiestiens are more interesting, but to me it seems clear that we can aswer yes to all 3. Atleast that is how it is meant to be played per the rulebook
 
I disagree Hinds, if the assumption is the skinks are infantry the Krox are Monsterous I, Then you can really defend the fact that you can't stomp the unit. If the only thing you can attack is skinks and they are infantry you really should be able to stomp.

Can a character join a Skrox unit? - Yes

Does an infantry character get a Look Out Sir save if its close enough to a Skrox unit? - No, because of the unit type. no LOS even if its in the unit. (personally I only play like this in tourneys so no one can accuse me of cheating)

Does the units own Skink Brave get a Look Out Sir save? - Yes because the Brave is unique and so is his unit.
 
Eladimir said:
I disagree Hinds, if the assumption is the skinks are infantry the Krox are Monsterous I, Then you can really defend the fact that you can't stomp the unit. If the only thing you can attack is skinks and they are infantry you really should be able to stomp.

Can a character join a Skrox unit? - Yes

Does an infantry character get a Look Out Sir save if its close enough to a Skrox unit? - No, because of the unit type. no LOS even if its in the unit. (personally I only play like this in tourneys so no one can accuse me of cheating)

Does the units own Skink Brave get a Look Out Sir save? - Yes because the Brave is unique and so is his unit.
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Good catch with the LOS. You are absolutely right there. Ofc a char cannot get a 4+ LOS for being close when they are unique and he is infantry :)

About the Stomps: As far as I see it you can only stomp units that have the right troop type - therefore you cannot stomp a unique unit.
 
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