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Star Trek vs. Star Wars (and a collection of memes)

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by NIGHTBRINGER, Apr 16, 2015.

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ravagekitteh said: ↑

All is not lost on the Star Wars TV Show front...

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That could be fun to watch, veteran Clone Troopers gunning down Stormtroopers as traitors to the Republic.

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Scalenex said: ↑

It's not necessary to assign an alter ego to every character in the Original Trilogy or to assign an alter ego to every character in the Hundred Acre Wood.

I appreciate your enthusiasm but I don't agree with your conclusions.

Given that Chewie got hungry and his hunger led him into a trap to further the plot, Pooh should remain Chewbacca, or Poohbacca.

Tigger normally doesn't shut up or stay still. I don't think that's a good match for Chewbacca.

I don't see Kanga and Leia having anything in common other than being token females in a sausage heavy cast.

I agree that Piglet is the best match for C3PO.

Eyeore is probably R2D2. If you could understand what R2 is saying, you could hear how he's always spouting nihilistic things.
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I like this breakdown so far

What about Gopher?

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Scalenex said: ↑

It's not necessary to assign an alter ego to every character in the Original Trilogy or to assign an alter ego to every character in the Hundred Acre Wood.
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It may not be necessary, but I wanted to do so just for fun.

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Given that Chewie got hungry and his hunger led him into a trap to further the plot, Pooh should remain Chewbacca, or Poohbacca.
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I can’t see Pooh getting aggressive to the extremities that Chewie reaches when he is upset, but I’ll take the hunger point.

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Tigger normally doesn't shut up or stay still. I don't think that's a good match for Chewbacca.
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Well, Chewie does keep growling in unintelligible Wookiee a lot and you don’t often see him staying still.

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I don't see Kanga and Leia having anything in common other than being token females in a sausage heavy cast.
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It would be better than having one of the male characters crossdressing as Leia

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Eyeore is probably R2D2. If you could understand what R2 is saying, you could hear how he's always spouting nihilistic things.
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That’s a fair point though.

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NIGHTBRINGER said: ↑

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That’s a good idea, but I think a better one would be...

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Imrahil said: ↑

I like this breakdown so far

What about Gopher?

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Given that Eeyore’s R2 now, Gopher can be Yoda because they’re both midgets

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Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said: ↑

Given that Eeyore’s R2 now, Gopher can be Yoda because they’re both midgets
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so only based on size, not on character... would not Owl more like Yoda he is?

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Sad news today as one of the operators of R2-D2 suddenly is no more. He will be missed, for all his contributions and creations...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/grant-imahara-dead-mythbusters-host-was-49-1303101

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Imrahil said: ↑

Sad news today as one of the operators of R2-D2 suddenly is no more. He will be missed, for all his contributions and creations...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/grant-imahara-dead-mythbusters-host-was-49-1303101

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That is really sad.

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Scalenex said: ↑

My ideas were good. Yours are better.
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Thank you, @Scalenex, that's high praise. I don't know that they're better, just a different take. Which OT fan hasn't tried to "rewrite" the PT in their heads... ha ha.

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Just A Skink said: ↑

Which OT fan hasn't tried to "rewrite" the PT in their heads... ha ha.
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Jar Jar faces off against Darth Maul and is subsequently cut to ribbons. The End! (also, Anakin doesn't have an aversion to sand)

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Aaaaaaaand Vader drops the Mic. BOOM!

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NIGHTBRINGER said: ↑

Jar Jar faces off against Darth Maul and is subsequently cut to ribbons. The End! (also, Anakin doesn't have an aversion to sand)
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Or he reveals himself to be a Sith Lord and starts speaking in a less squeaky voice, making his prior personality an act like Yoda’s in Empire Strikes Back, an idea I mentioned around Easter time last year:

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I've been thinking about this Jar Jar Sith Lord idea lately. I think the main fault with Lucas' idea was that he had planned to reveal Jar Jar's Sith Lord self in Episode II, a whole film away from when he's first revealed. I believe the reason Yoda, who was introduced as a similarly comic-relief character, was so successful was that they didn't wait that long to reveal his Jedi Master status - we find out he's one of the greatest Jedi Masters in the galaxy in Episode V, the same film we first see him, not that long after we first meet him. Jar Jar, on the other hand, was planned to be revealed as his true identity in Episode II rather than when we first meet him in Episode I. Of course fans couldn't look into Lucas' head and see that there was a deeper plot in store for our Gungan friend and thought that he was purely for comic relief to entertain children when they saw Jar Jar's full performance in Episode I. Out poured the hate, and Lucas went back on his idea to try and pacify the rage spawned by the masses, and so we ended up with the tragic comic character that we know today.

Now, imagine instead that Lucas followed the Yoda approach and revealed Jar Jar's true identity in Episode I rather than II - fans would still have had the same initial reaction when we first meet him, but that reaction would most likely change positively when it is revealed that it is all a disguise, just like Yoda's silliness was a disguise in V. I think this would have made Jar Jar far more popular than he actually is.

Now the question is, what would have been a good way to reveal Jar Jar's Sith Lord persona? Of course we'll never know George's original idea, but we can speculate on what would have been a fun way to do it. There is the obvious way of having him consult with Palpatine behind the scenes through a hologram or face-to-face at the end of the film just as they ultimately had Count Dooku interact with Palpatine in Episode II, but, in my view at least, that is a bit too obvious.

My favourite idea is having Jar Jar as a character similar to how he is portrayed in the parody William Shakespeare's Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom of Menace, as a character pretending to be an idiot but who is manipulating the course of events to try and elevate his people in the eyes of the rest of the galaxy. Certainly there is premise for this in the setting of Episode I - the Naboo regard the Gungans as primitive savages with no respect for civilised ways, and the Gungans, secretively remaining hidden in their underwater cities, view the Naboo as arrogant and selfish, but make no attempt to try and change the Naboo's view of them. As a result, most other planets in the galaxy would see the Gungans in the way that the Naboo do, as not only are the Naboo humans and so receive more sympathy from other human populations, but also come in more regular contact with the residents of other planets, and so peoples from other planets in the galaxy are more likely to sympathise with the Naboo's views. What if, then, this more intelligent Jar Jar knows of this because he has wandered around everywhere on his travels as an outcast and heard (and possibly even experienced) this prejudice from the Naboo? Aspiring to change this view and prove to the galaxy that Gungans are just as capable of doing good things as everyone else, he plans to try and elevate his people's status in everyone's eyes. When he ultimately meets Qui-Gon, he realises that the Jedi Knight could be his ticket to achieving this goal, and so does all he can to help bridge the Gungans and the Naboo together in friendship. When Padme and Boss Nass agree the alliance, Jar Jar knows his plan has finally come to fruition, and knows that he must now do all he can to help protect both his people and their allies to keep this new friendship alive in the ensuing battle. While the Gungans initially seem to be doing well at fighting back against the Droid menace, that all changes when shots from a Droideka blow up the Gungans' shield generator - now they are vulnerable to the brutal firepower of the AATs. This is where Jar Jar reveals his true nature - seeing his people die everywhere drives him to anger, and he draws a red Lightsaber hidden in his clothing and ignites it, cutting down Battle Droids left and right, and combining his natural Gungan flexibility with the power of the Force to avoid shot after shot. Jar Jar's stand encourages Captain Tarpals and the other Gungans to regroup and lead a counter attack, hitting the Droid army hard enough to keep them occupied until Anakin destroys the Control Ship, powering down the Droids and bringing about the Gungan victory. Everything else then happens as per the actual film, so that it remains a combined Gungan and Naboo victory. News then spreads across the galaxy of the battle and the new alliance, and people finally see the Gungans as a respectable member race of the Republic.

Of course, this makes the Sith Jar Jar a more benign character than the other Sith we know across the saga, but just because a Sith follows a code that centres on himself, this doesn't always make him pure evil - the Sith code still encourages caring for those you love, for example - something the Jedi code forbids as it can make people care for those they love above the masses. Indeed Darth Malgus from the EU (yes I do know a few things about the EU) wrote accounts of his Sith war against the Jedi, and in these memoirs he makes special note to honour his girlfriend (from Titan Books' Book of Sith), showing that even with all the cruelty he displays towards the Jedi in the EU, he still has a shred of good in him. Similarly Darth Vader, on finding that Luke is his son, changes his attitude towards him - he is no longer that irritating Force-sensitive Rebel scum in the X-Wing that blew up the Death Star. Vader goes so far as to plead Luke to join him and makes a vow to betray Darth Sidious, the Sith Master he has served loyally for 21 years. In the same way, Jar Jar still feels the need to elevate his people in the eyes of others, despite being a Dark Side user. Also in terms of the Rule of Two, it could be that one of the Sith Masters along the line from Darth Bane broke the Rule of Two before Sidious did, resulting in the raising and training of Jar Jar as a Sith, and Jar Jar himself may also not be a full ally of Sidious - both have their own agendas that can clash with that of the other, as demonstrated in the above scenario.
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Gods working my way back through this thread to find that post was torture

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Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said: ↑

Or he reveals himself to be a Sith Lord and starts speaking in a less squeaky voice, making his prior personality an act like Yoda’s in Empire Strikes Back, an idea I mentioned around Easter time last year:
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Nope... not buying it. Jar Jar is trash!

Maybe we need a poll: Jar Jar cut to shreds by Maul vs. Jar Jar as a Dark Lord of the Sith.

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Nope... not buying it. Jar Jar is trash!

Maybe we need a poll: Jar Jar cut to shreds by Maul vs. Jar Jar as a Dark Lord of the Sith.
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I would do fundraising to have a movie where Jar-Jar is cut to shreds by Darth Maul.

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I would do fundraising to have a movie where Jar-Jar is cut to shreds by Darth Maul.
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I would have thought a man of your calibre would be beyond the childish stubbornness of an Original Trilogy purist.

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