Superhero versus series... choose the winners!

Spoiler: Endgame

Let's use Endgame as an example. Doctor Strange was just one cog in the collection of superheros it took to finally defeat Thanos' forces. Superman would have been able to single handily taken them all. Look at how powerful Captain Marvel vomit was and Superman is significantly more powerful than her. If Superman were in the MCU, we never would have had the need for Endgame because he would have been able to defeat Thanos during Infinity War

Another key aspect of this discussion is what sources we are willing to incorporate. Are we sticking with movies/shows? Main sequence comics? Smaller runs of comics?


You don't want me to break out Superman One Million / Prime

 

I think I'll go with Superman, I do however think both has a decent chance of defeating the other, and it'll partly come down to who takes the first shot and goes for the kill; Superman is probably the least likely to do that of the two, so that gives him some advantage over Superman, still even magic users like Shazam who even somewhat (as I understand it) rival superman's powers and uses magic often loses, which should say something about just how powerful Superman; This means that Strange might not do enough first off all the time, giving Superman the edge back.

True, but Batman isn't either usually. I'd still argue Batman wins since he pretty much always has the one thing that is better at beating Superman than magic, that being Kryptonite.

 

Even with their "main" power set, magic is not an instant win against Superman. He does have some vulnerability to it, but can fight his way out of it.

As I said before, Superman's near lightspeed movement is realistically unbeatable. Doctor Strange couldn't even move a fraction of a millimeter to use his magic before Superman had the opportunity to kill him many times over. Also with that speed comes super natural levels of reflexes and thinking (otherwise super speed couldn't be utilized at all). Obviously movies/shows have to down play this otherwise it would be an instant win every time. However, how do you beat someone who can move at near the speed of light, react to things at those velocities and process information at such a rate? Imagine how much information Superman could take in within a single second and how much ground he could cover.

Yes Kryptonite works... but Batman is only human, so everything works against him. Superman could kill him with a pebble. For story purposes it is fun watching Batman fight with Superman, but realistically (if such powers were real) Batman would have no chance. Batman can kill Superman with Kryptonite, but Superman can kill Batman with everything.

You beat me to the punch. The was the exact example I was going to use!

 

Considering his powers and speed I think it could be argued that he is quite dumb,he barely ever uses his super speed to think things through he always just uses his fists it seems, and while that is true for a lot of superheroes, Superman rarely seems to go in with any sort of plan because he never really needs to and I'm not certain he is any good at it.

I have no doubt that Superman can beat Batman and Superman has the advantage, still from all I've seen Superman is not good with tactics and Batman has resources that make him more than capable of fighting him, it partly depends on how many of those resources he is allowed to use.
Certainly in a fight between the two where it's life or death and none of them holds anything back and they both have their standard equipment, Batman would not have much of a chance and only a sliver of one with kryptonite.
Also the venom stuff is a thing in the DC universe so who is to say Batman doesn't have some kind of gadget that uses something similar to that or found some way to use the speed force, if anyone was to do something like that with tech, Batman would be the one. Granted it's a lot of 'what if's', but that is somewhat what Batman is about.

 

Actually he possesses super level genius intellect. If they made Superman fully utilize his powers there would be no story. That's the problem with him being so overpowered.

Batman's greatest power is plot armor. Because "I'm Batman!"

You can only play hide and go seek for so long. Superman does actually have access to other dimensions (i.e. the Phantom Zone), he may not access it in the same way as strange (science vs. magic) but it is not completely foreign to him. I simply can't picture Strange's projections having a realistic chance of killing Superman. As a result it is only a matter of time before Superman finds him.

Time travel creates a rather silly argument. Both have been shown to manipulate time. The fact that Superman can fly faster than the speed of light would further complicate this.

This is true...



Ebony Maw handed Strange his ass pretty easily in Infinity War. Superman could have ended him in less than a second.

Is Doctor Strange immortal (or extremely long lived)?

 

Well the genius level intellect is kind of part of the standard superhero survival kit, and I know they say he has super intelligence but I've never seen any proof of it.

Yup, but that does allow him to have a chance against anyone. Also 'Because I'm Batman' is enough reason for me, though I'll admit I'm heavily biased

 

If you can access one, you can very likely access others. You might have to make a few tweaks to your technology but it is not beyond your means.

I guess we'll have to disagree. Superman is consistently put forth as an example of an overpowered character. Other characters from other story universes are constantly compared to him. I just don't see that sort of thing happening with Doctor Strange (some of which is admittedly due to popularity, but even with the rise of the MCU, we still don't see it... at all). When I imagine placing Superman in Infinity War or Endgame, I see him as being virtually unstoppable. Situations that give Doctor Strange problems would pose none for the man of steel.

 

I don't think Superman knows how to do that,

 

Yeah, Superman wins this 9 times out of 10. I think the only thing that gives Doctor Strange an advantage would be if he had the foreknowledge and time to prepare. As people have been saying, Superman is just too OP and in a straight up fight would always win. If Doctor Strange knew he was coming and had time to set up, he would have a *small* chance. But in most situations, Superman takes the win.

 

I disagree, I've seen him work with kryptonian technology many times before.

 

Hardly. He has the means to access other dimensions; they are not completely foreign and untouchable to him. While he might not be able to access all dimensions right from the onset, he does have the technology to take on that challenge. Of course there are built-in assumptions, just like you are assuming that because Superman has shown some level of vulnerability to magic, he might be vulnerable to Strange's magic. No guarantees on either front.

 

Fair enough,but i'd imagine a lot of that is made quite intuitive and sometimes, at least in the Superman movie, if I recall correctly, he didn't have to do anything but touch something and then it worked, so he likely didn't have to know how it actually worked.
To which extend has he worked with kryptonian technology, I'm curious because I haven't seen it so you could be correct?