8th Ed. Tetto Inspiring Presence with Kroxigor in unit

[Zee Deveel]

As title suggests: If Tetto is my general and he has a Krox in his unit, is his inspiring presence LD7 rather than 6?

Thanks!

 

[Overlord of Serpents]

Sadly no, simply because the Kroxigor do not confer their leadership on to Tetto'eko, so his leadership remains unaffected for Inspiring Presence, though the Krox's leadership would be used for tests involving the unit. The only way to affect a general's leadership in our army to my knowledge is to have the Standard of Discipline banner in his unit which would grant him +1 to Leadership.

Hope that helps.

-Overlord of Serpents

 

[Zee Deveel]

Q: When taking a Leadership test, sometimes you have to take it on your unmodified leadership. What is your unmodified leadership? (p10)
A: Your unmodified Leadership is the highest Leadership characteristic in the unit. So the Leadership from any
characters in the unit itself (but not from outside the unit, from Inspiring Presence for example) with a higher
Leadership can be used unless specifically stated otherwise.

If this means that the unmodified leadership of a character is the highest leadership in the unit then Tetto'ekos leadership would be the leadership of the Kroxigor and thus his inspiring presence would be...?

That's my interpretation of this nonsense.

 

[Overlord of Serpents]

Q: When taking a Leadership test, sometimes you have to take it on your unmodified leadership. What is your unmodified leadership? (p10)
A: Your unmodified Leadership is the highest Leadership characteristic in the unit. So the Leadership from any
characters in the unit itself (but not from outside the unit, from Inspiring Presence for example) with a higher
Leadership can be used unless specifically stated otherwise.

If this means that the unmodified leadership of a character is the highest leadership in the unit then Tetto'ekos leadership would be the leadership of the Kroxigor and thus his inspiring presence would be...?

That's my interpretation of this nonsense.

This quote is referring to a unit USING inspiring presence, which would be impossible in the case listed here as you have to use the unit's unmodified leadership for whatever reason, perhaps a certain spell. So in the case of targetting Tetto'eko's unit with such a spell, you would use the Kroxigors Leadership as it is the highest in the unit when unmodified. However, this does NOT mean that Tetto'eko's own leadership would be raised to a 7 for the sake of distributing it to other units via Inspiring Presence. No matter what, Tetto'eko for Inspiring Presence must use his own leadership.

-Overlord of Serpents

 

[hdctambien]

What's worse is that technically "all friendly units withing 12" use [the general's] leadership instead of their own" (BRB Pg 107)

So, the Kroxigor actually use Tetto's Ld6 instead of their own Ld7.

 

[Overlord of Serpents]

What's worse is that technically "all friendly units withing 12" use [the general's] leadership instead of their own" (BRB Pg 107)

So, the Kroxigor actually use Tetto's Ld6 instead of their own Ld7.

I wish I had my BRB next to me here, but I'm 100% sure you're not forced to use the general's leadership. It's an option, not a requirement. You would still be able to use the higher leadership available to you. Though you could always throw in a cheap Scar-Vet for that Leadership 8.

-Overlord of Serpents

 

[hdctambien]

What's worse is that technically "all friendly units withing 12" use [the general's] leadership instead of their own" (BRB Pg 107)

So, the Kroxigor actually use Tetto's Ld6 instead of their own Ld7.

I wish I had my BRB next to me here, but I'm 100% sure you're not forced to use the general's leadership. It's an option, not a requirement. You would still be able to use the higher leadership available to you. Though you could always throw in a cheap Scar-Vet for that Leadership 8.

-Overlord of Serpents

That's the exact quote from the BRB and the Dark Elf player 'round here has used it to nuke my General's Ld and then use the Inspiring Presence against the rest of my units.

However, I just checked the FAQ:

Page 107 – The General, Inspiring Presence.
Change “within 12" use his Leadership instead” to “within 12"
may use his Leadership instead”

So it seems that I should stop taking for granted rules that other people tell me are rules without double checking them myself.

So, please ignore the man behind the curtain and continue to use your General's Leadership only if it works in your favor!

 

[Overlord of Serpents]

Always gotta be weary of those tricky Dark Elves! Glad I could help!

-Overlord of Serpents

 

[Qupakoco]

Well.... technically the "General" of your army is always the model with the highest leadership. Don't have my book on me, but I am almost positive that it says that under the entry for Generals. Not sure if that's been FAQ'd or not. Just because you're a super good spell-casting Skink doesn't mean you're good at leading an army.

So really... one of the Kroxigor in the unit with Tetto would be the General and thus provide his leadership for Inspiring Presence!!! Whaaaaaa?!?!

Unless you had a Saurus Champion, whose Ld 8 trumps Ld 7.

 

[bugleboy]

Sadly the BRB does state that your general is "the character in your army with the highest leadership" (pg 107). Then later on (pg 134): "An army must always include at least one Lord or Hero to be its General".

So no using Saurus champions as a gereral

 

[Overlord of Serpents]

Well.... technically the "General" of your army is always the model with the highest leadership. Don't have my book on me, but I am almost positive that it says that under the entry for Generals. Not sure if that's been FAQ'd or not. Just because you're a super good spell-casting Skink doesn't mean you're good at leading an army.

So really... one of the Kroxigor in the unit with Tetto would be the General and thus provide his leadership for Inspiring Presence!!! Whaaaaaa?!?!

Unless you had a Saurus Champion, whose Ld 8 trumps Ld 7.

Preeeeetty darn sure only characters can lead armies. Otherwise I would totally try a low-point Kroxigor general army for fun, haha.

-Overlord of Serpents

 

[Qupakoco]

Aww, ok. It was a fun thought at least

 

[Sleboda]

So, please ignore the man behind the curtain and continue to use your General's Leadership only if it works in your favor!

=> Yeah. BSB re-rolls on fail is still mandatory (failed Casket roll by 1? Too bad, try again!), but general is optional now.