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8th Ed. The BEST close combat units in all of Warhammer ~BONUS MATCHES~

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This thread is a sort of extension to The BEST close combat units in all of Warhammer thread. It will follow the same format and guidelines as described here.

Other than that it will...
  • be very sporadic in nature
  • feature random matchups with units selected from armies that I own (or @Mrs. NIGHTBRINGER owns), but most likely it will revolve around Chaos Dwarfs
  • act as a testing ground for my units and a diagnostic tool for developing counters to enemy units
  • not likely pit any unit against the entire gambit of contests from the best CC unit tourney, but rather it will feature a few select key matchups

Hope you guys enjoy, and as always, please share your thoughts on the matchups! !.png
 
Bull Centaur Renders vs. Mournfang Cavalry


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So why Bull Centaurs?...mainly because I love the models and want to see where and how they can be used. Future matchups will include K'daai Fireborn, because they are in direct army selection competition with the Bull Centaurs. The Fireborn will likely prevail in more matchups, but I want to know in what scenarios the Bull Centaurs may possibly prove more useful.

The concern with Bull Centaurs has always been the fact that they only have two attacks each. That is below average for a monstrous unit. Can their stats (WS4, T5, 3+ armour save and S6 with GW) make up for their abysmal attacks output? For their weapon loadout, I'll be using GWs (instead of shield or AHW upgrades) as that is how I plan to run them. As per the previous tourney rules, I'll be using this same loadout in all matches, even in ones where the other options would prove to be superior. If I ever try a new loadout, I'll create a separate row/column for the entry.

It's nice to see the Bull Centaurs pick up a hard fought victory against the Mournfang. We'll see how they do against some of the higher finishing units.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
Bull Centaur Renders vs. Mournfang Cavalry


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So why Bull Centaurs?...mainly because I love the models and want to see where and how they can be used. Future matchups will include K'daai Fireborn, because they are in direct army selection competition with the Bull Centaurs. The Fireborn will likely prevail in more matchups, but I want to know in what scenarios the Bull Centaurs may possibly prove more useful.

The concern with Bull Centaurs has always been the fact that they only have two attacks each. That is below average for a monstrous unit. Can their stats (WS4, T5, 3+ armour save and S6 with GW) make up for their abysmal attacks output? For their weapon loadout, I'll be using GWs (instead of shield or AHW upgrades) as that is how I plan to run them. As per the previous tourney rules, I'll be using this same loadout in all matches, even in ones where the other options would prove to be superior. If I ever try a new loadout, I'll create a separate row/column for the entry.

It's nice to see the Bull Centaurs pick up a hard fought victory against the Mournfang. We'll see how they do against some of the higher finishing units.
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Thundercats NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

As always, I'm sad to see my favourite Monstrous Cav lose. It's interesting though that the Bull Centaurs eventually wipe them out even though they don't win a single combat.

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On a separate note, will you do requests here on match-ups, @NIGHTBRINGER ?
 
Lizards of Renown said:
On a separate note, will you do requests here on match-ups, @NIGHTBRINGER ?
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Probably not... at least for now. Why, did you have something particular in mind?

At the moment, this is just me sharing my background machinations with the forum.


I am particularly interested with the Bull Centaurs and Fireborn and also what in general can beat the Beasts of Nurgle (I doubt any CD unit can do it in a fair fight).
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
Probably not... at least for now. Why, did you have something particular in mind?

At the moment, this is just me sharing my background machinations with the forum.


I am particularly interested with the Bull Centaurs and Fireborn and also what in general can beat the Beasts of Nurgle (I doubt any CD unit can do it in a fair fight).
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Fair enough.

I just have attention on the Chaos Warriors match-up. Something about it doesn't make sense. Maybe if I'd said MoN and Shields? Or MoN and Halberds?

My concept of the MoN benefits being OP still exists...

[LoR shrugs]

Not a big deal, just bugs me slightly that I feel I didn't get them represented properly in the fight.
 
Lizards of Renown said:
Or MoN and Halberds?
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That's what they had, MoN and equipped with Halberds. That is the main loadout for the MoN Chaos Warriors.

The other popular builds are:
  • MoT with sword and board
  • MoK with AHW

The problem with Chaos Warriors is that they are extremely expensive for single wound models. Against the other infantry in the tournament, they were always outnumbered fairly badly. I think it was this that led to their downfall.
 
Lizards of Renown said:
hundercats NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

As always, I'm sad to see my favourite Monstrous Cav lose.
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Revenge!

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Another close battle, but as suspected, big time armour will likely prove to be the weakness of the K'daai Fireborn. Strength 5 is decent but not great (especially with so few attacks). I still feel that overall they will perform better than the Bull Centaurs, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
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Revenge!

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Another close battle, but as suspected, big time armour will likely prove to be the weakness of the K'daai Fireborn. Strength 5 is decent but not great (especially with so few attacks). I still feel that overall they will perform better than the Bull Centaurs, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Hooray!

And this doesn't factor in the superior movement and thus higher chance of getting the charge off with D3x3 (probably) S5 hits.
 
Imrahil said:
Lets go WITCH ELVES!! :D
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And they continue to go (much to my dismay)...

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A close battle, that sees the Witch Elves pull out a razor thin victory against a sub-optimal build of Bull Centaurs. Obviously the 10 point upgrade for S6 GWs is a poor choice against T3 + no armour save Witch Elves.

Up next we'll see how those Witches fare against Bull Centaurs with HW&S and AHW!

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NIGHTBRINGER said:
And they continue to go (much to my dismay)...

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A close battle, that sees the Witch Elves pull out a razor thin victory against a sub-optimal build of Bull Centaurs. Obviously the 10 point upgrade for S6 GWs is a poor choice against T3 + no armour save Witch Elves.

Up next we'll see how those Witches fare against Bull Centaurs with HW&S and AHW!

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Good, good!

Grrr, Imrahil
 
Killer Angel said:
Yeah, bull centaurs already have a solid strenght, i don't think GW does them a favor (if not in a limited amount of cases)
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Definitely not in this matchup. :p

The GW option has always been my "go to" choice when including Bull Centaurs in a general list. It definitely makes them a hammer in search of a nail (armour and toughness), but leaves them exposed in other matchups. It will be interesting to see how hand weapon & shield and AHW builds fare across a range of matchups.

Obviously the composition of the rest of the army will play a huge part in dictating what build to utilize. Chaos Dwarfs only have so many units that are capable of reliably punching trough armour/toughness (GW Infernal Guard, Destroyer, GW Bull Centaurs). I feel that the Fireborn's and Ironsworn's S5 is usually insufficient for the task.
 
Imrahil said:
Good, good!

Grrr, Imrahil
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