The GREAT 40k thread

Truly, the loyalists shall tremble before their footsteps.

 

Just as an aside, GW have forgotten to release the plastic Flayed Ones and Crypteks they had planned to give Necrons in another wave of releases. They must give us what we have earned, before they can move onto nancy-boy Blood Angels and degenerate Dark Eldar. My will be done!

 

Very impressive! What did you make it out of? If it isnt too demanding i might try myself

 

Games Workshop have heard my plea! As well as teasing the Harbinger of Eternity and Flayed Ones coming as part of the next Kill Team starter set, they are also releasing the Harbinger of Despair next week:


I was considering using the Ossiarch Mortisan Soulreaper to be a Harbinger of Despair for my Necrons, but this chap is also a good interpretation.

 

Personally I have always hated the idea of introducing Lords of War into basic 40K because it turns the game into an arm’s-race of ‘sod you, mine’s bigger’. That was what Apocalypse was meant to be for when it was originally conceived, and I still think GW should return to the original idea of only allowing ‘big stuff’ to be used in Apocalypse.

The awful idea of allowing such massive stuff into basic 40K started when Phil Kelly made the Wraithknight, a Trygon-size monster for Craftworld Eldar, into the most OP piece of shit ever, and instead of nerfing the Wraithknight which is what they should have done, GW made 7th Edition to force it into being a 1-per-army unit, but which also allowed other factions to bring one of their own ‘big units’ into the game.

Then Imperial players started whining about how they couldn’t beat those big units normally so GW created Imperial Knights, which allowed them to field an entire army of massive walkers which didn’t fit into the medium-scale setting of normal 40K.

Then Chaos players started whining about how they couldn’t beat Imperial Knights so GW brought in Chaos Knights.

And the problem just keeps getting worse - now they’ve brought the same problem to AoS with Sons of Behemat.

Why couldn’t they have just returned to the original idea of ‘keep it for Apocalypse’?

 

It may just be my experience with Horus Heresy tournament scenes, but Lords of War are the kind of thing I expect to see limited by the battle size.

From personal experience, it's relatively rare to see LoWs show up in games as small as 2500pts, and those that show up have been under the rule of thumb that a Lord of War cannot exceed 20%-25% of the battle size point value in a given list. Of course, the pricetag on going large in Horus Heresy is also a limiting factor - few people on the tournament scene will fork out the cash for a Forge World falchion or warhound titan unless they really like the model.

It won't stop some people from trying to cheese a double-typhon list at smaller scales for instance (not fun getting pie-plated off the table with 10" blasts), but such people make themselves known really quickly for all the wrong reasons anyway.

Don't get me wrong: I admire GW's push to make the larger game modes more accessible with the plastic kits. I just don't think they're handling it properly with how much that gets circulated back into their base games.

 

That would be great, I agree, like Warhammer Fantasy's points limit on Rare units.

I also didn't know that you had to pay Command Points to field a Lord of War, that's another measure that helps to put a limit on LoW arm's races and that's a good thing.

 

Well, that's better than nothing, I suppose, but I certainly think they should do more, especially with the Primarchs because that's getting ridiculous