AoS We have the attention of GW regarding the toad nerf

in which faq? I can't find it on the site

 

Awesome!

 

Just to be clear, does this mean we can set up a toad even if the rippers are setup in the sky?

 

Nicely done Darren! Could you now let the exclude the Ripper from the rule of 1? Pretty please

 

To be honest.. that's dumb... the rippers ability is specificly designed with the intention of being used multiple times. It makes virtually no sense for the rule of one to pop up from something like that... Thought frankly the entire rule of 1 is

 

the whole rule of one is a terrible bandaid and mostly just seems to break the "cool" stuff as opposed to actually targetting the problematic stuff... Not to mention the inconsistencies. really wish they'd thought that one a bit more through..

 

Why is the ability of the Rippers nerfed and Foot of gork not? Both have a roll condition to move on and rules cleary state thats how it is intended. Sorry if this was asked a milion of times

 

Most likely cuz they just didn't pay a whole lot of attention and phrased it in such a way that Foot of gork wasn't included and since foot of gork never was seen as problematic noone bothered to chang it...

Or if you want to give it a positie spin; Foot of gork has a fairly high casting value, and to get it off again it needs a 4+ and an available target. With those kind of requirements you'l rarely get more than maybe 2-3 extra hits in. Rippers have re-rolls on their to hit rolls with swoping dive, giving them a 75% chance for every attack to generate another. They'l generate a hell of lot more extra hits like that. Though that ignores the fact that they also still need to wound & get passed the opponents save... Basicly; rippers look scarier on paper as they can annihilate a single unit completly whereas Foot of gork will only severly wound multiple units. And when optimizing people tend to prefer to abuse mechanics that entirely destroy an opponent as opposed to "merely" crippling him so rippers probably saw more "abusive" cases.

 

yup, that's the basic "logic" behind it. Though it's an arbitrary distinction as the end-result is the same and the mechanic involved doesn't really differ in any aspect other than it's phrasing.

 

Ghm,.. the wording doesnt say it makes another attack but another ‘hit roll’. Arent those two different things?

I looks like you are here staying ‘within’ the ability. Where as with Kroaks CD you have to cast again.

 

Meh, the entire rule is just stupid and shouldn't have existed to begin with. Abilities like those of the Rippers or even Kroak's shouldn't be that problematic to balance and are already designed with a inherent limitations. It shouldn't have been an issue to just tweak the numbers as opposed to just take out what made the ability special... I really wish they'd not done it this way as it also affects a lot of other stuff (e.g. the fact that you can't buff 2 units with mystic shield leading to stupid situations where your opponent will just attack the unbuffed one....) and getting rid of it now is going to be problematic...

 

Honestly the poor quality of the rules written by games workshop is part of why I haven’t played competitively in over a year. I grew so tired and exhausted arguing with rules lawyers every single tournament. They all know the rules as they are obviously intended to be but they refute them so they can gain an advantage. Keep up the good work getting this all sorted out.