Tutorial Writers' Wretreat or Crytics' Crypt? (love needed)

Just an open question:

When writing about lizardmen, is it more effective to aim for a more "hive mind" simple thought process and build complications from observations and analysis...?

Or at least what are some thoughts on different approaches; are some more interesting than others, or simply another route?

(Just going through another creative writing phase and hoping to channel some thought and effort into Lustria)

 

Interesting. I don't do any of that before I write stories. Mainly because my stories are quite short, and I see no need for a wider universe unless I'm doing something extensive. Even then, I don't go that in-depth. I wrote a 40,000-word novella once featuring a whole galactic war and multiple civilisations, and I didn't write down any background before hand. I just had the outline of the various factions and a vague historical overview in my mind. With warhammer, I feel I know the lustrian universe well enough that I can write a story set in it without any prep at all.

Having said all that, I also work on a collaborative project that requires LOADS of prep so that we can all write in the same universe. Our readers have so far only seen a fraction of what we have done behind the scenes, which breaks my heart a little. I'd always rather create just enough background that I can showcase all of it in my story, than have extra background that gets left behind.

Additionally, I feel the events of a specific story are way more important than anything else, so I allocate my time accordingly. But I agree it's also nice, with longer stuff, if a story can reveal a huge amount of depth about a made-up world. There's an important point to bear in mind, of course: it's best if the world is constructed in order to allow for a great story, rather than writing a story purely to showcase a cool world. Most of my favourite fantasy writers do that. Stories are what hook readers, worlds are merely a nice curiosity, but they're empty without dramatic events well told.

 

Since the primary material I write up are for roleplaying games, it tend to be heavy fluff based. I feel like I need that information down on paper before I can get a hand on what the plot of the first scenario should be. I definitely don't think this is the only way to do it, some of my best games has sprung from doing the exact opposite.
I Agree that it can be a great tool for handling writers block, getting some fluff down gets the creative circuits running i guess. It's also just a nice thing to have coincidence within the universe, writing these things down, creating a map, etc. means you give yourself a means of looking up your previous thought on the matter, making sure your not contradicting yourself. At least when it can be avoided

 

For some reason, I've always been interested in the writing process, and now that i think about it, i probably over plan; As someone who reads historical fiction and Wikipedia articles, it's probably no surprise that I'm interested in the background...

It's only as I've gotten older that I've realised all of the times I sat my father down and made him listen to my extensive universe building and with more thought I realise that a lot of the time he was probably internally face palming going "and when are you going to actually write it?"

When I plan, I plan to much, and if I down plan, then I improvise horrible abominations of inconsistent rubbish...

I think that's why writing Lustrian stuff is easier... someone else spent ages making the background and history, you just use it as a stepping stone...

But thanks for your advice and I will be sure to incorporate it into my creative writing!

 

When i'm writing my story, Psyche of War, i like to write down a chapter's plot first with very vague descriptions about the setting and characters, sort of like some rough draft. Then i rewrite the chapter as a final draft with vivid descriptions of the setting and characters' thoughts.

This process allows me to brainstorm what should come next, whilst not overwhelming my dim witted brain with trying to be descriptive with the chapter at the same time.

Not sure if this is what everyone does and is an old fact, but i wanted to share anyway.

 

Yeah, i remember trying to use this process for my first story, and the subsequent others that never came into fruition.

In my experience, writing the main idea and the general plot makes it easier for me to organize the chapter first, and then try to get the descriptions right.

Although i think this made some of my descriptions pretty dry. Not sure.

 

Me, I usually have very little planning.

Often it's the concept of a character (or one of my existing ones) and a very rough idea for what will occur to them and perhaps a potential result. The majority comes along as I write. For example: Tekris and Gribble go to Rokso's Pub.

As I write, Gribble gets annoyed that Tekris is being tight fisted on spending the money they earnt from their clients. Gribble then scoots away and starts bothering the barkeep whilst Tekris is able to enjoy his drink until a shadowy Skaven joins him and starts spewing random cryptic lines (which I don't always know what it means.) I might then learn that Gribble has an allergy to lemons, Tekris seperates his money into sections in his money pouch, or shadowy Skaven is actually all in Tekris' head and is his forgotten personality of being Mizzreek.

I suppose I find myself writing like i'm in a roleplaying game as both Dungeon Master and Player Characters. This can be problematic when certain characters start writing themselves into scenarios or tilt the results. Even worse when I let them become effectively fourth wall aware and they find a way to write themselves fully into stories they were only meant to cameo in and avoid death when I try to kill them. I often try and treat my characters as if they were living beings, laughing and crying with them as we journey together.

 

lol, literally before you posted, i was thinking about starting up an interactive RPG story thread on this forum.

Player, or players, could choose the main character's name, personality, physical attributes, etc.

They'll also have the ability to choose what the main character will do once confronted with dialogue, enemies, environmental problems and such. Finding and acquiring items could allow for special options which will mostly result in a positive outcome, BUT could have the chances of being wasted if used inappropriately (using a potion of kroxigor's might on a speedy clan rat for some nonsensical reason).

Sounds pretty nerdy, but ehhhhhh

oh wel

 

Maybe. I was thinking the central plot could stay the same, but the main character could approach the objectives/challenges differently.
Sort of like one of my most favorite video games ever, Deus Ex, where the player could over come obstacles as they see fit without changing the plot.

Will probably do this after i complete my story.

 

Differing styles I feel might cause conflicts.

 

Oh yea, and on top of it, i haven't decided how options would be chosen if there's more than one person playing yet.

Having the ability to implement polls into separate posts on a thread would be kewl.

 

*enters discussion late*

I have so many story and plot ideas for various universe and characters that it's actually a bit weird... When finally stop procrastinating to write some ideas down, this is usually what I do. Whether it be writing entire story overviews or just for chapters. Then I can just add bits of description later on and not force myself to be constantly creative.

I'm always daunted by huge ideas and put off starting to write them for as long as possible, even though I ultimately enjoy it, which is why short story comps are great because I'm encouraged to keep my writing-juices flowing.

Often I find myself spending more though and effort on planning stories, character arcs, designing outfits, drawing maps, etc. than actually writing, though... Any tips to get over severe procrastination???

 

Hm, take my advice with a grain of salt, i'm a very newbie writer, but i usually like to focus on a story's theme, and hidden message. For characters, i only focus on their pasts and motivations. These pasts and motivations lay the ground work for their philosophical views of their fantasy world, and in their opinions, how the world they live in should be and other things.

Not sure if it's helpful or not, but i like to give each a chapter a focus. What i mean, is that a chapter could be entirely focused on being an introductory chapter that introduces the reader into the setting and the main character. Another one could be focused on expanding upon the story's plot and characters, and so on.

hope it helps

 

I use things like campaigns in the setting (i.e Animosity (which I don't think exists anymore), or Moulder Pitfighters) as an excuse to churn out stories. Each turn lasts one or two weeks in which time I need to write at least one 350 or 700 word piece to give a bonus to my character's campaign actions, the last Moulder Pitfighters campaign lasted over a year and created my longest saga to date.

There also is the National Novel Writing Month event in November where your goal is to write a 50,000 word novel (or selection of short stories or whatever if you want to be a rebel with a pen.)

Another thing I had attempted to do over on the UE was to do story challenges, for example write pieces in a post-Skavenocalpyse world.

Finally, you could get together a group of trusted and likeminded people and do something world building. Such as creating a Temple City (or expanding on one that is only mentioned in the lore) and together coming up with the history, former heroes, and the like.

Putting a timer on things I find gets you over the procrast rut at any rate.