Can someone in the UK give me context for what is going on? (Political)

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  1. NIGHTBRINGER
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    *and yes, it should go without saying... not all immigration.

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    The thing is, though, their neutrality, much like Switzerland's in every European conflict known to exist, generally helps the aggressor more than the oppressed... and if Putin were to get his way and eventually annex Ukraine, Orban would be a fool to think he would stop there - Putin clearly openly wants to, at the very least, return Russia to the level of power in Europe the Soviet Union had, including taking back all the nations that gained independence from it after its fall in the 90s... and ironically, Orban's isolationism now makes him and Hungary a lot more vulnerable to the potential scenario of an invading Russia in the future, and is thereby mistakenly acting against his nation's interests in the long run. True, he has stood up to the EU and closed his borders to preserve Hungary's population and culture - that is a display of backbone, there can be no doubt... but that doesn't mean he can't exercise the common sense needed to be willing to cooperate with the EU in establishing a united front against Putin's hunger for power. Just because he hasn't been critical of the invasion, that doesn't mean Putin won't see him as a target to be swallowed up by his fascist Russian regime - indeed Orban's comparative cooperation in purchasing oil and other energy resources from Russia will only give Putin political ammunition to claim that Hungary is willing to be colonised by Russia, like Donetsk and Luhansk in Ukraine. If Orban continues his current political stance, I can see he will simply be trading one master for another that will be far less accommodating toward Hungary's desire for freedom.

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    Yesterday, in TV interviews with some of the few heads of Reform councils that have sprouted up around the UK, at least one has openly stated their pledge to take down not just Pride flags (absolutely a good thing), but also Ukraine flags, which is immensely disturbing. I already knew that Farage wasn't as critical of Putin as he should be, but one of his subordinates being openly willing to withdraw visual support for a country fighting a clear self-declared enemy of peace and freedom in Europe, just as we in Britain and the Commonwealth did over 80 years ago, is deluded and sick. Moreover, if it's purely born out of a fear of Russia, it is innately cowardly.

    I honestly cannot understand how politicians anywhere, whether here, or in Hungary or the US, cannot simply be right-wing and patriotic, and also remain conscious that Putin's fascism is a threat to national freedom, and is thus an enemy of a true patriot? Support for Ukraine is not Left-wing, it is a genuine gesture of solidarity against aspiring Russian dictatorship.

    It just adds more evidence to the proof that there are delusions on both sides of the political spectrum.
     
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  3. NIGHTBRINGER
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    Switzerland's neutrality in WWII was the ultimate boss move. Not only did they manage to avoid having their country bombed to shit like the rest of Europe, but they convinced everyone to let them hold on to their money. Of course, if push came to shove, they did have the capability to defend their country; that was the key.

    I can't speak for Orban, but I have very little fear of Russia taking Hungary. If the war in Ukraine has taught us anything, it's that Russia's forces are not nearly as powerful as some people might believe. Three plus years later and they still haven't managed to conquer Ukraine. If that had been the USA in Russia's place, they could have taken the entire country in like a couple of days, tops. Sure, lowly Ukraine has no real shot of beating the Russians in a war of attrition, but against the might NATO the Russians would be defeated with ease. The second they would attack Hungary or any other NATO country, article 5 kicks in and Russia is crushed. The disparity in military strength is too great.

    I am not pro-Ukraine nearly as much as you are. Russia is ultimately wrong in their invasion of a sovereign nation, but the situation is not purely black & white either. The same can be said about material support for Ukraine. Canada is sending over billions of dollars while we have a growing national debt, a housing shortage, an increasingly strained health care system and a myriad of other domestic problems. Sometimes you have to take care of your own.
     
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    this should go straight into the "just for laugh" thread...
     
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    I'm sure Putin wants to takes over Europe but he can't.

    I'm sure the CCP wants to become the super power of Earth but they can't.

    The thing is, it's not a zero/sum game where our choices are utopia or death. A failed attempt at global or continental domination will lead to mass suffering and death. That's basically what WWII was.

    I want to see Putin utterly crushed, so no would-be warlord even thinks about doing something like that again. I would be okay with higher taxes to support Ukraine in this, just like I spend extra time and money to avoid buying things made in China. I don't have enough conviction to pick up a rifle and fight the bad guys. I guess my conviction is "I am willing to take a mild financial hit for my ideals."

    That said, I can understand why someone would say "We should deal with our own problems before we fix the rest of the world's problems." In my opinion, there is nothing morally wrong with that stance.

    What I don't like, is "My political party is my tribe and my tribe says I should side with Faction X in international conflict Y".

    But the Russia-Ukraine war is a whole other thing, this is thread is talking about the UK. The UK has aided Ukraine and this costs money, but I think this is a proverbial drop in the bucket compared to their overall budget.

    I guess what gets me is how the police work in the UK. Granted I am getting biased news sources (I don't know where to find unbiased news sources about the UK) but it seems like the police are spending lots of time, money, and manpower to arrest or fine some people for very minor trivial offenses while turning a blind eye to very serious crimes. And it seems to be racially biased though there could be a dimension I'm not seeing.

    I heard a testimony of a Navy veteran on shore leave in California. He said he was given a fine for jaywalking at the same time a group of poor people were jaywalking nearby and not left alone. When asked why the cop ticketed him, he said "You looked like you could pay the fine." Maybe there is a financial incentive in the UK, but to an outside observer it looks like the ruling powers in the UK feel such overwhelming guilt for the sins the British Empire committed that they think their culture deserves to die.

    This seems backwards. I don't know why the UK (and the West in general) doesn't celebrate their good historical actions more.

    The British Empire did have slaves in the past, but they also spearheaded the push to abolish slavery worldwide. They spent blood and treasure to end slavery in the 19th and even 20th centuries.
     
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    It would be funny if it weren't true. :oops:



    I did hear someone make a funny comment once, something along the lines of changing his VPN to a UK server and dropping the dirtiest, darkest and most risqué memes just to fuck with the UK police.
     

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