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AoS NEW *rumor*

Val Muna said:
That's true. It more and more makes sense that we'd not be a part of this. But then the implication about new models... A year ago if you told me that Empire and wanderers would get a v2 battle tome and new models before Seraphon, I'd have laughed. Now it's a bit disingenuous to say that's exactly what is happening here, but it's also technically true.
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mwha, "new" model might just mean "we stuck it on a round base". Same happenend with a load of skaven models that suddenly became unavailable. It doesn't need to be super fancy :P
 
Canas said:
mwha, a lot of the ones that are listed as "last change to buy" either don't make much sense to remove (e.g. freeguild generals and warrior priests, those are the leaders of the freeguild…). And some of em are even part of the new mercenary battalions released in the new GHB. So I think a bunch of these might simply be getting an updated model alongside their new battletome.
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That's my thoughts as well.
Some of them will be removed but get a new model instead, fitting the new aesthetic.
 
Some rather uncomfortable claims on 4chan aosg today!

Supposedly, whiteboard notes from a GW meeting mention seraphon being ‘phased out’. Obviously no way to validate the source, but the rest of the notes seem to make sense. :confused:
 
Xuil said:
Some rather uncomfortable claims on 4chan aosg today!

Supposedly, whiteboard notes from a GW meeting mention seraphon being ‘phased out’. Obviously no way to validate the source, but the rest of the notes seem to make sense. :confused:
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I also read it. Not sure if it means anything.
Unless it is a long time thing I think it is rather unlikely.
If they planned to phase us out soon they wouldn't have given us those pages in the GHB I think, including new spells. It also seems that Seraphon are included pretty often in promotional material by GW and/or mentioned in the lore, compared to the armies that are actually being phased out.
They also never phased out an AoS army that had a Battletome before, so fingers crossed they won't start now.
EDIT: I also heard that Seraphon sell well, and apart from that: they don't have a style that is specific to the Old World, which makes them fit into the setting well (because they are compatible with everything) and they have a fairly big range of plastic miniatures. At this point those molds have paid for themselves so GW is makes profit if they just continue using them. They even gave us a Battleforce box.
All that doesn't sound like squatting to me.

IF the anon who posted it is telling true, then he might still not have gotten it completely right. Maybe we will lose some of the old resin models or so.
That might happen short term.

If it is a long term thing, then everything might still change.

So IMO no need to worry just yet.
 
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Xuil said:
Some rather uncomfortable claims on 4chan aosg today!

Supposedly, whiteboard notes from a GW meeting mention seraphon being ‘phased out’. Obviously no way to validate the source, but the rest of the notes seem to make sense. :confused:
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4chan is wrong as often if not more often than it is right. This claim has as much credence as me stating here that GeeDubs are going to release an army comprised entirely of me with various weapons.
 
GreenyRepublic said:
4chan is wrong as often if not more often than it is right. This claim has as much credence as me stating here that GeeDubs are going to release an army comprised entirely of me with various weapons.
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especially since the supposed whiteboard source doesn't talk at all about stuff we know like Bone tithe or similar stuff.
 
GreenyRepublic said:
4chan is wrong as often if not more often than it is right. This claim has as much credence as me stating here that GeeDubs are going to release an army comprised entirely of me with various weapons.
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They are?! Its the army we’ve all been waiting for! :p

I know it has to be taken with a pinch of salt. The kicker is that there is no knowing with GW - the alienation of customers doesn’t appear to factor into their plans!
 
do you have a link to the whit bord? i have trouble beleaving they want to get rid of us seing that they just released a blood bowl team for us i don't think they would support us in one side game wile striking us from the mane one.
 
Erta Wanderer said:
do you have a link to the whit bord? i have trouble beleaving they want to get rid of us seing that they just released a blood bowl team for us i don't think they would support us in one side game wile striking us from the mane one.
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meh, the only way I can see this rumour being true would be if we get a complete overhaul that also changes our name. Much like how half the undeath factions were "phased out" and turned into legions of Nagash, or how the various human and aelf factions are currently being "phased out". Worst case it might mean losing a model or two, best case you get some new stuff. Properly phasing us out would be weird given the new stuff we just got, relative popularity as well as the unique fluff & aesthetic of the faction and the fact that everyone likes big dinosaurs :p (I seriously doubt they'l ever stop having a dinosaur faction, far too easy to pull in fresh blood with such a faction...)
 
ya they already have to deal with everyone complaining about the loss of tomb kings and britonia i can't even imagen the crapstorm deleting seraphon would bring on seing as they made it out of the old world if they wanted to drop us that was there chance.
 
Erta Wanderer said:
do you have a link to the whit bord? i have trouble beleaving they want to get rid of us seing that they just released a blood bowl team for us i don't think they would support us in one side game wile striking us from the mane one.
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This is the full content of the post on 4chan, no link or picture:

From whiteboard pics at GW meeting. Nobody will believe me, but that's fine.

>Seraphon will be phased out
>Select Dark Elves units will be included in DoK update, the rest will be LCTB
>2 upcoming Elf projects to be released
>Box set including Stormcast and Ironjawz planned
>They are happy with current KO and Fyreslayer range
>StD end of the year or early in 2020
>Underworlds Warbands in the works: FeC and Nurgle
>All endless spell releases for current factions will be released before end of 2020 1st quarter


Some 40k Stuff for people who care:

>Eldar and Ynnari will be merged. Resin aspect warriors will be phased out via LCTB
>Dark Eldar will remain its own faction
>SoB box set will be against World Eaters
>2 new knights before 2nd quarter 2020
>Emperor's Children will get 2 kits in 3rd quarter 2020
>New Harlequins kit next year
>Orkz vs. Tau boxset 2020 4th quarter 2020
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The Blood Bowl team however says nothing. All kinds of old factions (Halflings for example) have Blood Bowl teams.
 
Aginor said:
The Blood Bowl team however says nothing. All kinds of old factions (Halflings for example) have Blood Bowl teams.
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mwha, the halflings always were a joke faction, so them surviving solely as a joke team in a spin-off game makes sense. Plus, they're unique in bloodbowl in that they're quite terrible and thus have a very different playstyle from the other teams. Both factor into their continued survival within bloodbowl.
And neither of those factors are at play with the lizardmen team. It may not be the best indication, but in between a blood bowl team, a spell lore, our models being nearly constantly featured in video's and artwork and our faction constantly popping up in bits of fluff in the various books that appear I'd say we got a decent indication that we should be fine.

imho, worst case we get an overhaul & become our own grand allegiance of celestial beings opposing chaos. We're already an odd one out in Order being the only non mortal faction. Resulting in the following grand allegiances:

- Order: various civilized mortal factions
- Destruction: various uncivilized mortal factions
- Death: Nagash & friends
- Chaos: well, chaos

- Seraphon: anti-chaos, maybe with some new friends, perhaps one of the slann has managed to run into an old one on his space ship.
 
Canas said:
mwha, the halflings always were a joke faction, so them surviving solely as a joke team in a spin-off game makes sense. Plus, they're unique in bloodbowl in that they're quite terrible and thus have a very different playstyle from the other teams. Both factor into their continued survival within bloodbowl.
And neither of those factors are at play with the lizardmen team. It may not be the best indication, but in between a blood bowl team, a spell lore, our models being nearly constantly featured in video's and artwork and our faction constantly popping up in bits of fluff in the various books that appear I'd say we got a decent indication that we should be fine.

imho, worst case we get an overhaul & become our own grand allegiance of celestial beings opposing chaos. We're already an odd one out in Order being the only non mortal faction. Resulting in the following grand allegiances:

- Order: various civilized mortal factions
- Destruction: various uncivilized mortal factions
- Death: Nagash & friends
- Chaos: well, chaos

- Seraphon: anti-chaos, maybe with some new friends, perhaps one of the slann has managed to run into an old one on his space ship.
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i still realy like the 5 faction idea i would love to see what they come up with to round it out and if all we have to do with order is that we sometimes can play with Stormcast we might as well scarper off into the stars.
 
Citing this comic because somewhat relevant:

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The Order Grand Alliance is a very mixed bag. "Civilized" or "Good" would not be attributes I'd like to tie to them. How are the DoK more or less civilized than the Gloomspite Gitz, for example?
I would also argue that the Sylvaneth are only in GA:Order because they won't fit into the other ones, and for historical reasons.

I still think that Seraphon belong there. I would even say that they belong there more than most other factions do.
They are paragons of Order, fighting Chaos is basically their only goal.

I also think that a Grand Alliance made up of one faction doesn't make much sense.

About Blood Bowl releases meaning something or not: I still think that we have to make the distinction between Lizardmen and Seraphon. There have been Lizardmen (and other dead faction) releases before, and they didn't mean anything to AoS.

The boxed games that I would call significant to possible AoS developments would be Warcry, Warhammer:Underworlds and Warhammer Quest, because they are directly tied to the lore of AoS, while Blood Bowl isn't.
There was a Blood Bowl wood Aelves team lately IIRC, and those are gone in AoS.
There could be a "Humans of Arabia" Blood Bowl team because it fits the Blood Bowl world, but that would mean nothing to AoS. Hell, the whole old world is gone in AoS but still exists in Blood Bowl.
 
Aginor said:
Citing this comic because somewhat relevant:
The Order Grand Alliance is a very mixed bag. "Civilized" or "Good" would not be attributes I'd like to tie to them. How are the DoK more or less civilized than the Gloomspite Gitz, for example?
I would also argue that the Sylvaneth are only in GA:Order because they won't fit into the other ones, and for historical reasons.

I still think that Seraphon belong there. I would even say that they belong there more than most other factions do.
They are paragons of Order, fighting Chaos is basically their only goal.

I also think that a Grand Alliance made up of one faction doesn't make much sense.
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then we need to be a part of order at the moment we really aren't we can only allie with stormcast we aren't a part of cities even DoK have more allies then we do and they realy shouldn't be working with any one.

i don't want us out on our own in a one faction Alliance as stated above i want to see what they come up with to complement us in a new faction maby we see other creations of the old ones the old world isn't the only place they visited or something completely new. i just want to be a part of something not just a footnote (and the Seraphon where there to) in someone elses story.
 
To be honest...
As long as they don't squat us I don't really mind.
Worst case would be that they really kill us off and replace us by yet another SCE chamber or something.
 
Your right that would be the worst outcome let us all hope it dose not happen
 
IF this rumor is "true", then I agree that it will happen along the lines of renaming the army, and tailoring units.

Based on how much GW talks about serahon and shows them, I don't think they will shelve us.

But, I guess at this stage we have entertain both positive and negative rumors.
 
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