AoS Save rerolls

I understood your point and, friendly speaking, haven't thought of it. Sad smile on my face. Thanks god we almost all the time either don't have the save or have the bonus at least equal to the rend)

 

So, you know a lot of alcoholic ? (I drink while playing too )

 

So, yeah, it's pretty normal for you neighbour

 

I meant "beneficial" in terms of gameplay, not necesarly in given the player an advantage. For starters it's confusing. But also it'd feel very inconsistent as the initial roll doesn't follow the same rules for it's value and succes as the final re-roll. The only gameplay use I can think of is re-rolls of specific values (e.g. SCE shields re-rolling 1's). E.g. a liberators unit with a +1 to save-rolls from say cover would never have his re-roll actually trigger if that bonus is counted.

 

So if I understand it correctly, does rerolls/effects happen before modifiers? So raw dice result? Does this also count for other things besides saverolls?

For example 6 to hit gets buffed with +1? Gues sometimes it even says 6+ to hit, so that actually awnsers the question. It weird to have differrent mechanics for hit/wounds rolls and save rolls. What would be the downside of making it the same rules? That modifiers work before rerolls/effects?

 

it'd count for all rolls. So for re-rolls you should (theoreticly) look at the unmodified result. But it's a rather inconvenient way of doing things... including modifiers is more consistent and easier to do..

The only purpose of it that I can think of is specific value re-rolls (e.g. liberators shields allowing re-rolls of 1's). Thanks to modifiers those could be impossible to actually trigger.

 

yea, but you'd need both positive and negative modifiers to keep the mechanic. A +1 to saves invalidates "re-roll 1's". To be honest for the purpose of "re-roll rolls of X" counting natural rolls does seem somewhat logical in that aspect. For re-roll failed/succesfull rolls it'd be weird to count the natural ones htough.