Tutorial Seraphon List for GHB2020

When did Chameleon skinks become good. I was under the impression they weren't too good. Also are there any tourney lists without Terradons?

 

yeah, I would have loved to have seen TL be "you have no limit on Behemoths", and a CA that didn't only affect two specific ones... but rather something that was universal and useful, like "Monster defence" 1 cp to have a friendly Seraphon model within 18" of a hero brace for impact. Whenever this model suffers a wound or mortal wound during this phase, roll a d6, on a 5+ that would is ignored. useable any time, but only good for the phase in which it is spent, and the same unit cant benefit from it more than once a turn, so if you brace in the shooting phase, you cant get it in the fight phase

 

They are good when buffed and has some synergy with FoS. With +1 hit, serpent staff and RR1s they do 20-21 wounds to 4+ save which is solid. They do around half that without buffs. They also have some movement shenanigans. A unit of 20 do 6-7 MWs unbuffed, so they can easily pop up and crump small heroes or finish off bigger stuff that Kroak has wounded. Downside is that they are very fragile if they're not in cover.

When salamanders got a hefty nerf they became a viable option. I saw several Seraphon lists that went undefeated in TTS tournaments with 1-2 ×20 cammos, and that was before salamander nerfs.

 

Do you plan to buff them/keep a hero around them or use them to deepstrike/attack from another angle?

 

Are there any good viable tourney lists without using Terradons or Chameleons?

 

Won a 1 dayer with a fangs with 40 chameleons, 40 skinks and kroak package . A bit hard to pilot but brutal !

 

So after some more games against what I would consider some rough matchups for us, I actually concur with your original statement. Not nessecarily due to Petrifix, but I see the Salamanders as a "win more" unit - As in it makes our easy matchups significantly easier, but it does nothing against our bad/tough matchups. The 12" reach really holds them back and it is just too easy to screen out the DT drop or in general teleported Salamanders. We need much more reach - Due to all this 330 pts for 3 Salamanders is way too much. They also just dont impact the objective game enough in the early turns.

 

hey all,

I've been trying to come up with a list for my own collection (don't judge it too hard it's my first go ). The main strategy would be to sit Kroak, the bassies and the EotG at the back to pour out MW, long range damage and healing and use the oracle to cast from, hope it isn't too bad - feedback and improvement ideas are more than welcome.

Starborne - Dracothion's Tail

Leaders x5
Skink oracle - 220
-General
-Nimble
-Godbeast pendant
-Celestial Harmony

EotG - 260

Lord Kroak - 320
-Stellar Tempest

Saurus Astrolith Bearer - 140

Skink Priest - 70

Battleline x4

Saurus Guard x5 - 100

Skinks x20 - 120
-Javelins, star bucklers, moonstone clubs

Skinks x10 - 60
-Boltspitters, star bucklers, moonstone clubs

Skinks x10 - 60
-Boltspitters, star bucklers, moonstone clubs

Behemoth x4
Bastiladon - 220
-Solar Engine

Bastiladon - 220
-Solar Engine

Endless Spells x2
Balewind Vortex - 40
Bound Geminids - 70

Extra Command Point - 50

Total: 1950 points
Wounds: 111

Hope it's ok

 

Other than the summoning, teleport and bravery 10 on skinks, might be better to have as thunder lizard, then you have the option of shooting the bastildons and using the engine again each turn for CP, you would also have 2 extra wounds on them and the oracle. The - 1 damage from being coalesced also would help the oracle survive better

 

you don't say

 

Chameleon Skinks seem alright to me, but Im still not keen on Terradons. My issue is that I really lack reach to pick off key targets against certain matchups, which none of them really help with. Kroak with 22" on Celestial Deliverance rarely does anything against an opponent that actually wants to play the objective game, especially the first couple of turns, since on many battleplans 22" wont give you enough cover to threaten objectives. Because of this Im starting to consider Spellportal for Kroak so you at least have 2, maybe 3 spells you can throw at your opponent (Comet's Call, 1 CD through Spellportal and 36" Stellar Tempest should be able to hit something) in the first couple of turns if the opponent just hangs back outside of 22".

I have also come around on the Bastiladon even in Starborne - It might not have the same damage as Salamanders or 40 Skinks (it never needed to have equal damage to be fair), but the range seems really valuable, especially to try and snipe those key support heroes hiding deep behind screens. It will be very difficult to hide against boardwide Comet's Call (duh) + 22" CD + 18" through Spellportal + 24" range + 5" move (potentially + 6" run) on the Bastiladon. This output alone should kill most squishy heroes and it gets especially fun against Chaos Daemons like Tzeentch where you almost oneshot Kairos from outside of their casting range. It really forces him to spend DD to mess it up from turn 1.

In general as Starborne you are looking at always going first (I really dont see how you can make a list with below 10ish drops, unless you really love the Terradons, but alas Im not too keen on them just yet), so it is a must to build your list around always taking turn 1 and getting something done. Right now from my experience I get nothing done in turn 1 except generating CCP and throwing out Comet's Call. There is zero threat for my opponent to give me the first turn I feel. With the choices of above it gives me things to do even in turn 1 which might make my opponent think twice.


I watched a Mortis Praetorians list with Katakros + Arkhan + 2x Crawlers + Mortek really give Tzeentch a run for their money. Pretty respectable ranged output and good sustain with both Arkhan and Katakros. I wouldnt be surprised if that is largely what we will see from OBR. I havent personally seen anyone play with Harvesters for a good while.

 

i'm all aboard the knight train baby

 

Question to you guys, i've already been winning big events with salamanders spam, chameleon heavy fangs, magic heavy stuff. It's super strong / cool but i got challenged by mates to makes a saurus list and win events too ( My goal is to do the same with thunder lizard but there is already basti spam winning out there so, i'll keep it for later )
So here i am , theorycrafting stuff with koatl's claw. Core is the classic Kroak's package ( Kroak / banner / guards / Geminids bound / Balewind ) Then
i wonder what's the best way to go , i think knights seems better way to go because of mobility over saurus . Also would love to use carnosaurs because they are ok/good.
Would love to have insight on Koatl's claw competitive and your experiences on saurus / saurus Knights and Carnosaurs in competitive environnment.
Will come back later with fine lists when i found some

 

I think knights with starpriest buff is the most effective with koatls claw.
warriors are too slow and too big of a unit, they will get cut down before they can do much.
carnosaurs are great if they get into stuff before taking too much damage.
I like the carnos because either your opponent hits that to neutralise it but then leaves the knights or vice versa