The Batman: Pics, Videos, and Other Awesomeness

That always bothered me as well. What's worse, is that it is a critical plot point.

 

Well without Batman there is no Justice League, and since he basically runs the whole thing, it makes sense that he is given so much screen-time (oh, and then of course because he's Batman ).

Truth be told I don't remember a Justice League movie where Batman isn't basically the main character; Although there are a few where a lot of the members are shown, but I would hesitate to call them Justice League movies. I don't mind though, for me the more Batman the better.

 

This trailer looks very good. I am quite excited to see this movie.

Certainly better than this SJW dumpster fire...

 

I genuinely don’t see what makes this a “SJW dumpster fire” outside of a female lead that happens to be lesbian and a slightly provocative line and the end that you’d have to be pretty sensitive to take the wrong way. I’m not saying it’s guaranteed to be good or anything - my response to the trailer is pretty meh, and they may well go the way @Scalenex said and focus too much on the ‘romance’ side, although that seems more of a general ‘entice the general public with a love story’ rubbish as opposed to any attempt at SJWism (and besides, we are kind of missing an onscreen LGBTQ+ relationship for superheroes). I get that you would criticise it, but I don’t see how you can base it on being some “SJW dumpster fire”.

 

In fairness, you like all that stuff (and fair enough, to each their own). I'm not trying to convince you to dislike it, but in past discussions you were never able to identify the SJW taint, so I'm not really surprised that you don't see it now. Rather than a your opinion vs. my opinion stance, I'll just refer you to the pure simple beauty of math...



You may not see it, but the numbers don't lie... it is there (and apparently they have been removing dislikes!!). How long until they disable the comments and the like/dislike button?



If you want to make a strong female lead, the primary focus should not be on continual bold proclamations of "I'm a woman". Just make her story interesting and intriguing and you'll win over the audience. However, it seems like they just can't help themselves and simply fling it around the room like monkeys with feces and then try to smear it in our faces. If the character is well written with the focus on the story, then people will appreciate the strong female lead (just as they do with a well written male lead). You don't see this same type of writing and attention when it comes to male leads (unless it is deliberately satirical).

The whole trailer is littered with SJW propaganda, but seeing as we'll never agree on it anyways, I'll just present you with the worst offender:

"I'm not about to let a man take credit for a woman's work"

This is a pretty ironic statement considering that she will likely be...

• using his equipment
• using his bat cave
• using his bat suit (another nausea inducing SJW line: "The suit is literal perfection. It will be when it fits a woman")
• using an altered version of his symbol
• copying his persona
• etc.

Interesting that she is literally trying to take credit for a man's work!



It's not all bad though... the YouTube comments are absolutely hilarious. I was not disappointed! [be warned, it is most definitely not a "safe space"]

 

Hey speaking of Batman if anyone is interested I have a lot of old Batman comics I plan to sell. PST is interested

 

where's my daily dosage of memes (?)

 

Some of the stuff you’ve written is fair enough, but you can’t use the dislikes as an argument for it being “SJW”. There are a multitude of reasons why people might dislike it, the primary one being (and one I’d be inclined to agree with) that it just doesn’t look that good. The point I’m making isn’t that it’s going to be good, but rather that the reasons it will be bad aren’t really related to “SJWism”. Likes and dislikes mean nothing on that front.

A lot of your other points are relatively fair enough - that last line was definitely not very well thought out, and I don’t really know why they stuck it in. However, if you’re going to base your opinion on a piece of media based on one or two poorly though out lines, I think you’d better reevaluate your view on Star Wars - for every iconic line there is definitely one or two absolute clangers, even in the Original Trilogy!

Also, with the focus on the fact she is female, there seems to be one key point about that that everyone’s missing. The superhero and sci-fi genre has always been traditionally male oriented, but now more and more women are starting to get into it. However, due to the prior fact, there isn’t that much that really is aimed at them - certainly not enough for us to be able to really consider it gender equal. So is it really that far fetched that companies are now trying to make (and sometimes focus on making) their media appeal to women? They are approximately 50% of the population, so it isn’t exactly bad business to try and capitalise on them. Yes this attempt may be very hamfisted, and their intentions for doing so aren’t pure, but it does seem an equally likely possibility.

Chances are it’s a combination of both, and including progressive values into the show isn’t a bad thing, even when it’s done poorly, as it seems to be here. Do we just ignore the LGBTQ+ community just because a few writer some involved in it happened to not be that great at writing? Heterosexual romance has been a key enough part in enough comic book based franchises that the LGBTQ+ community deserves their equivalents. There have been enough male led superhero films compared to female led ones that it means it’s about time there were more female led ones to, as much as anything, appeal to an increasing female audience. The way they draw attention to it being female led isn’t really very good writing, but surely the fact it’s worth drawing attention to in the first place shows the problem itself. If there was equality in on-screen media, it would not be considered especially worth doing to draw attention to it at all.

Basically, in a nutshell, what I’m trying to say is yes it does look pretty shite, and it does include progressive elements, but it isn’t the progressive elements themselves that make it shite. Poor handling of them maybe, but in that case, blame the writing. As the comic book industry has shown, it is extremely possible to make great stories featuring, and in some cases revolving around, progressive elements. When your criticism is purely on those things, you encourage them not to be featured and thus encourage inequality in our society. It’s perfectly fine to hate and think pieces of media that happen to feature or revolve around progressive elements have been poorly written, but when you do criticise them, criticise the writing and the handling of those elements, not the inclusion of the elements themselves, otherwise you (inadvertently as it may be) breed inequality in our society - something none of us want.

 

In this case, I most certainly can use the likes-to-dislikes ratio as evidence that the Batwoman trailer is an SJW dumpster fire. The reason being is that a quick scroll through the comment section perfectly describes why people dislike it. 95-99% of the comments support my argument.

We're each entitled to our view of the matter, but time and time again I've seen that my analysis and instinct for this kind of thing is backed up by evidence. On the other hand, I've never seen you accurately identify woke propaganda in film/TV. We've had this conversation many times, but you're either unwilling or unable to see it. I'm not trying to change your mind, if it doesn't bother you, then by all means enjoy and support it. However, facts are facts.

Interestingly, I tested the trailer out on my wife. Under the guise of "this looks like a cool trailer, maybe it could be a show we can watch together" (since Game of Thrones is now over), I got her to watch it. She spotted the SJW woke garbage immediately and made note of the exact same points as I had. And that is a WOMAN's opinion! (of course it is a bit biased, as I very carefully selected an awesome wife!). Of course this is only a fun anecdotal aside, but the comments section of the video provides you with concrete evidence [check it out for yourself, but be warned, it will likely be disabled soon].

If you want further proof, I've got a fun little exercise for you. In YouTube, search the following:

• Alita Battle Angel Woke
• Batwoman Woke

Both contain strong female leads, but you'll see the exact opposite reaction in response to them. Batwoman is called out for being woke trash, but Alita is championed (in fact it is the SJWs that attack Alita). So the issue isn't the female lead, but instead an obvious leftist SJW agenda.

If after all this you still can't see it, then I'm sorry you never will. I'm not saying that you have to hate it, but at least acknowledge its existence... or don't, up to you.

You'll have to explain your point here. I'm not sure what constitutes as SJW propaganda in the Original Trilogy.

Also, it is more than one or two lines (in a short trailer).

Nor does it have to be gender equal. Not everything has to be gender equal. Romantic comedies (rom-coms) are primarily targeted at females... and for good reason. You have to know your target audience. As a random example, it's better to focus on selling muscle cars to men and lipstick to women than vice versa. That doesn't mean that women can't like muscle cars, but you have to maintain a clear vision on who your target audience is. The target audience for comic book material is men/boys, while the target audience for rom-coms is women/girls. It doesn't mean that you can't include elements into either of those genres to attract people outside of the target audience, but deviate too far away from it at your own peril.

Plus, many men like well written female characters in comic book movies. People have been crying out for a Black Widow movie for years. They just don't like SJW woke infused female leads. If you want a good female lead, write her as such. Focus on story...let her face adversity, let her fail, let her show her worth and let her overcome those hurdles and people will like it (men and women). But if your primary story focus is on "I'M A WOMAN!", then enjoy the backlash.

So why aren't women supporting it then? Why are wokefests like Ghostbusters 2016, Doctor Who and Batwoman being rated so poorly? Why aren't women up-voting these videos? Why does Batwoman have a 4-to-1 dislike to like ratio? Women typically make up the voting majority, so why aren't they supporting your viewpoint?

Probably because most normal [by which in mean non-sjw] females don't like this junk either. That's why my wife thought it was a dumpster fire too!

Just curious, by "equivalent", do you mean 50/50 or based on percentage of the population?

It does show the problem, namely that they can't keep their identity politics out of entertainment!

The comic book industry has not shown this at all; it is literally dying!! SJW progressive comics produce terrible sales figures. The new Carol Danvers Captain Marvel comic has been started up and cancelled over half a dozen times in the last few years.