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Tutorial Writers' Wretreat or Crytics' Crypt? (love needed)

Discussion in 'Fluff and Stories' started by spawning of Bob, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. Killer Angel
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    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    Yeah, what I'm meaning is: the first three books were a blast, and were pubished in a short amount of time.
    You can see clearly the passion of the writer for the work he's doing.
    In the following books, the passion was constantly diminishing. When you love to do something, when you have ideas, nothing stops you to put them in practice…. yeah, you can be distracted by other things or duties, but you won't postpone them for years. If you do, deep inside you are no more interested in them. And forced thing are forced, there's a limit to the amount of stuff you can be forced to do, especially if you're a rich, old man.
     
  2. Scalenex
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    I had the privilege to listen to a lecture Kurt Vonnegut made in person roughly 20 years ago (he wasn't talking about this but I still liked it). He was a national treasure.
     
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    Wait, you're telling my that real life is not like my stories about a mesoamerican civilization of giant reptile wizards?
     
  4. Killer Angel
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    Don't listen to them.
    mesoamerican civilization of giant reptile wizards is the way to go.
     
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    It's time to face some harsh realities...

     
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    Inspiration for a short story :'D
     
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    Focuses on video games, but still provides interesting thoughts on other media that can be considered in short stories.
     
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  9. Killer Angel
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    It's a interesting take. Yeah, the fear to be judged and don't be able to live up to the high standards set by yourself... could be another factor.


    That's true to a certain point, however a character as Jamie Lannister is anything but black / white
     
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    Agree. Especially the Lannisters are in between for me. But so are Varys, Daenerys, the Starks, the guys and gals from the south, even some of the Greyjoys and Littlefinger.
    None of them are totally good or evil. At least not in the books. In the show it is more clear for some of them.
     
  11. Killer Angel
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    OK, good to know.
    If you want, i can delete my question in the "Gurls & Gunz" thread, so it will remain fully dedicated to your story.
     
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    Hi guys.

    I'm trying to get some constructive feedback on my story "Dawnflame". Would appreciate it if anyone could have a read and post any points they want to make on it.

    Thanks.

    LoR
     
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    Fair enough.

    I actually feel similar to what you are saying. I like to get feedback on what I have written mainly to find out if the idea that I had in my mind is what comes across to other people in the writing.

    I never make changes based on single viewpoints. I try to get as many viewpoints as possible and see if overall my communication got across or not. If not, then I will look myself to see what needs to be changed.

    I appreciate you reading the story anyways! :)
     
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    Other Youtube channels that talk about the craft of writing might be more entertainingly presented, I think Literature Devil is the smartest one.

     
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    Does anyone here know the difference between head hopping and third person omnipresent?
     
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    Third person omniscient means an all knowing narrator tells the story from a God's eye view occasionally entering the consciousness of one or more characters.

    I never heard of head hopping until you mentioned, so I looked it up online.

    "Head hopping" refers to the practice of changing from the point of view of one character to another character, in the middle of a scene.


    Effectively this is a special type of third person omniscient and/or first person limited.

    There seems to be a debate online on head hopping. The debate is whether a writer should never use head hopping or whether a writer should rarely use head hopping.

    Generally speaking, head hopping is viewed as a sloppy or hack writing technique. Now, I don't believe that rules are meant to be broken in literature but I do believe a skilled writer can do great things by subverting writing rules carefully.

    For instance, deus ex machina should generally be avoided, but in my opinion One Punch Man is a brilliant show/manga and the titular character is a walking breathing deus ex machina. But a writer shouldn't break writing convention just to be edgy, there needs to be an artistic vision and plan behind it.

    I don't know how or when "head hopping" would be a good idea, but I'm sure a skilled writer could come up with a way to do it. So I'm in the camp that head hopping should be avoided.

    I cannot recall a single instance of head hopping on L-O. That doesn't mean it never happened, just that if it occurred it wasn't memorable. After all, since I never heard of "head hopping" I wouldn't have known to look for it right?

    I did kind of have head hopping before in some of my stories, BUT this was technically telepathic POV characters intruding on the minds of other people. This was not an omniscient narrator switching character minds.

    Many writers on L-O, myself included have written many stories ranging from okay to excellent with shifting POV characters, but when the character POV switches, there is a clear scene transition.

    Sometimes the scenes are very short, but the scenes are still distinct.
     
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