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Perhaps in your circles, I've found opinions to be far more negative as a whole. Ultimately there is nothing really that great about it. Even the prequels for all their faults had many long lasting memorable moments. Solo does not.

That may be true on the internet, but what I mean by word of mouth, is literal word of mouth. Friends promoting the movie to other friends. If the movie was great, there would be many people that would be convinced to go check it out.


The fact that Solo is doing poorly is not due to some big conspiracy. It's not the work of a few disgruntled fans. The movie just isn't that great. When a company shits on its fan base, eventually they get punished financially. Kathleen Kennedy's days are numbered!

 

I agree. TLJ has all the blame here. And Solo is a very good movie not only story wise but also technically speaking. Ron Howard is a great director and always deliver great movies.
Also, I think that the studios wanted to play this card quietly, since the promotion of the movie was not that intense as in Deadpool 2 or Infinity War, even TLJ was everywhere prior to premiere night. Might be TLJ once again, they felt the kick and wanted to play safe this time.
Most good movies aren't box office hits. Blade Runner bombed hard in the BO and look at it now. On the contrary for example, everyone wasted their money on Civil War and it's still the worst movie of the MCU if not of the entire history of cinema.

 

They did destroy the fluff with TLJ, I dunno how are they going to fix it, IF they can fix that mess. But yeah, they deserve the fan base's hate.

 

The thing is, TLJ or any other bad movie cannot be judged as good only by having "some nice bits". That movie is bad because of the story, the direction they chose to go with every character (new and old), the way they killed the new fluff from TFA and most of all because it doesn't feel like a SW movie at all.
We are 2/3 in the new trilogy now and we have only one movie to go and it's not looking good at all. But hey, if they pull it off with the third one kudos to them.

 

Unfortunately it is in a direction that most fans hate.

Not yet. Keep in mind though that TLJ made much less money than TFA and Solo made the least (or looks to make the least) of all 4 films. It could still be turned around, but it is a very negative trend. As a company, that is not the direction you want your profits going in.

I agree that a lot comes down to episode IX. Unfortunately the trilogy doesn't seem to be very well planned from one movie to another. TLJ shitted on much of what was TFA. There doesn't seem to be a lot of consistency or forward planning, with each director treating their movie as a singular entity rather than a part of a bigger whole..

Fingers crossed that you theory turns out to be true.

Kylo seems to be far to weak to be the primary protagonist, while Rey seems to be a video game character which you started off with all the cheat codes on. She is much too powerful and rarely seems to struggle.

Mark Hamill would disagree... as would most fans. He was the most optimistic character of the series, and they turned him into the exact opposite.

He was one of the characters that many fans were interested in. Everyone wanted to know his backstory and there was at least half a dozen interesting theories out there.

He came off as nothing but a simple hot head in TLJ

Finn was much better in TFA. This new Finn-Rose angle is boring and disappointing.

AT LEAST WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!

 

I'm just going to say it: I really liked TLJ, I thought the characters were good, it was funny, the good bits outweighed the bad and were more numerous, the whole experience was enjoyable and personally I think a decent chunk of the vocal fans decrying it are probably primarily annoyed that their fan theories didn't come true. And don't accuse me of not being a proper Star Wars fan or anything either - in a Wookieepedialess Star Wars knowledge contest I could definitely hold my own!

Just thought I'd put it out there

 

I really think you are overstating the importance of this (non) factor. If the story & characters were good and true to Star Wars, then most people would have loved and accepted the unexpected twists and turns.

From my perspective they have already burned through that benefit of the doubt. Now they have to earn back the trust they lost with the fan base. It's not impossible, but it will require them to abandon their political agenda and pay attention to what the fans actually want (like Marvel does).

 

Answer:

Spoiler

Kathleen Kennedy

 

I doubt it... TLJ bombed in the Asian markets.

 

I when referring to its performance, it was in comparison to its predecessors.

When discussing Rose, you stated that she would be liked by Asians. As such a comparison between TFA (in which she does not appear) and TLJ (in which she does appear) is quite revealing. From the article you cited, TLJ trails TFA quite badly in terms of overseas revenue. It especially highlights TLJ poor performance in China, which is the largest Asian market by far.

Actually it is 11th all time. However there is much more to the story. The key point is the huge drop off from TFA; TLJ made $700 million less (while likely been shown in more theaters and being less effected by inflation [which is admittedly fairly small over such a short period of time, but still something to consider]). That is a pretty bad direction to be going in. In addition, look at the backlash to Solo... some of which was carry over from TLJ. Lastly consider that Star Wars is likely one of, if not the most valuable movie IP. Of course it will do relatively well but TLJ worked towards eroding some of that IP value. You can only shit on your fan base so many times until you feel a Solo backlash.

 

True, it is not direct evidence... but it does provide us with a useful clue.

It is evidence (even if not fully conclusive) against your statement, what evidence do you have in support of your statement? I've read a few articles that support it, but those are just the opinions of a few individuals. I'm not stating that no one likes her, but she was far from a success and was significantly more of a detriment to the movie than a positive.

At the end of the day, a poor character is a poor character, no matter what the ethnicity. I wouldn't embrace her just because she aligns with my race.