(POTENTIAL CONTROVERSY) 007 Film Continued Discussion

It does account for those factors. That is the whole point of a controlled study. There are dozens of studies by economist who control each of those factors. If you want to find studies that get into the weeds of the heavy numbers they certainly exist. I am not an economist and certainly don't have a Phd in the field. Thus I rely on the work of those who are and do.

 

I read the entire comment. It does not make the statement any less problematic. My point is that you are working backwards from the problem under the unproven assumption that business owners and investors will make the choices that best promote their bottom line. However, businesses often make poor choices in a myriad of sectors that undercut there best interest. Your summation of the problem also failed to address systemic prejudices.

Hence the presupposition that those are the only two possible reasons is flawed and an impasse.

Except that economic survey after economic survey does not show this to be the case. Also, the pay gap is trending closer. So if your argument were accurate how do you account for its historic diminishment?

By the same logic business wouldn't hire men if they are better at negotiating their pay then their female counter parts. Both arguments to that affect are clearly flawed.

 

you're welcome:

 

There are even known cases where women are paid less when their manager is another woman!

 

Oh, you know....

 

As to the point of most people don't like to read walls of text. I like this picture.



And I like this chart.



Now it's time for walls of text and long videos!

In the areas where women have it worse then men, the gap is smaller. Men make up about 40% of domestic abuse victims and about 40% of rape victims.

Of the latter, most of the male rape victims are in prison, and we as a society do not generally care much about prisoner rights. That's not a gendered issue. Women's prisons have nasty crap in them too.

The domestic violence issue is a problem. The Delueth Model basically teaches police that men are the abusers and women are the victimizers. There is a lot of cases where the man is bruised and beaten and the cops arrest him.

In most cases one-directional violence is a woman on a man. About 70% of the time according to most domestic abuse statistics I've seen. Both real life and staged fake events show that if a woman beats a man in public peope will ignore or laugh at it, but a crowd will immediately converge on the man and attack if he defends himself. If a man is attacked by a woman in public, his only real option is to run away.

I read an article stating that 20% of homeless people in Western countries were women. The article wasn't saying "We need to help all the men!" it was stating "20% is too high, we need to help those poor women!"

Humans have such an inborn bias towards helping women that I hope suicide never becomes a gendered issue. I bet if it does, suicide prevention funding will sink like a stone.

I am reluctant to include this video because it has the MGTOW label but it's well reasoned and doesn't use offensive language.



Norah Vincent was an actress who spent a year as Ned Vincent. It's long but it's deep. Norah's experience largely got swept under the rug because it goes against the predominant feminist narrative. If you don't want to watch the whole thing. Skip to 18:38 for her summary.



The Paygap

Spoiler: The main contributor to the pay gap

Here is a fictional society. There 500 men and 500 women. There are only two jobs. Retail and Corporate.

Retail, men get paid $10 per hour and women get paid $11 per hour. There are 200 men and 300 women in this sector.

Corporate, men get paid $25 per hour and women get paid $26 per hour. There are 300 men and 200 women in this sector.

[(200 x $10) + (300 x $25)]/500
[$2000 + $7500]/500
9500/500
Men get $19.00 per hour on average

[(300 x $11) + (200 x $26)]/500
[3300 + 5200]/500
8800/500
Women get paid $17.60 on average

On paper, there is a $1.40 pay gap in this society in men's favor despite women getting a small preferential pay grade in every job. That is fairly close to real life actually.

This backed by real world data. When companies get audited for pay equality they usually find that men are being underpaid for the same work.

In this fictional society, maybe you should argue that Corporate jobs should have 50/50 female representation. This has been argued a lot for high profile jobs like engineers, politicians and CEOs. You don't see femninists arguing for 50/50 female representation for plumbers, miners, construction workers, garbage collectors, and the like.

The biggest contributor to the paygap is that women choose jobs that pay less. Women tend to prefer working with people and men tend to prefer working with things. The latter jobs are easier to scale so they tend to be paid more.

4/5 of the top earnings college degrees are earned by a majority of men. (The exception is pharmacy which as a majority of women).

4/5 of the lowest earnings college degrees are earned by a majority of women. (The exception is theology which has a majority of men).

Most people accept that Scandanvian countries provide more freedom and opportunities for women. They tend to have fewer women in STEM than places like the United States. Which country has the highest percentage of women in STEM? Iran. The more patriarchial a country is, the more likely a woman is to enter a male dominated field. Assuming a country is so patriarchical that women cannot attend university at all.

Spoiler: Secondary Contributors

The number two reason for the pay gap is motherhood. If you have a man and woman who have the same education and background and joined the company at the same time. but over twenty years the woman took off four years to have some kids, is it fair that the man is now ahead of her? I don't know what's fair in the grand scheme of things, but as far as the employer is concerned, she gets more consistent work out of the male employee.

We could decide as a society that business should help pay for the next generation. Maybe that is right on moral grounds, but if an employer is obligated to provide daycare, breast milk pumping areas, or other accomodations for mothers than there is no such thing as an equally qualified male and female candidate. If their qualifications are the same, the male is objectively better from a financial point of view.

The Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits discrimination on the grounds of a person having a disability, but the passage of the ADA has not improved disabled people's job prospects. They are just not hired. The hiring people cannot say "I didn't hire you because of your diability" so they will make up a neutral excuse "We found a better candidate." This will happen to women as a whole, if laws force major special accomodations for women in the workplace.

We have that now! There is a big problem of talented female doctors and lawyers quitting in their mid thirties to focus on their family and never come back.




Another portion of the paygap is that men take more dangerous jobs, men take more jobs that work outside, men take more jobs that are dirty, men take more jobs with irregular hours.



Men take fewer sick days than women on average even certain things like the common cold actually hit men harder or more often. Men are more likely to work through the pain. That's probably why women tend to outlive men by 6-8 years on average. That and the disproportionate war death, homicide death, suicide death, and accident death thing.

Testoterone helps people cope with stress. Men have more testosterone. Men tend to outperform women in high stress jobs. The downside is powering through stress causes a strain on long term health. Again the eight year life gap again.

On average men and women are about the same in terms of IQ, but men have more variance. Men have more geniuses and more morons than women have. This is why men dominate multi-million dollar CEO jobs by a wide margin and this is why men are more likely to be homeless.

Not just IQ, but work ethic too. Men have more lazy people and more insane workaholics than women have.




Men have more upper body strength. This doesn't matter for most jobs, but it matters for some. If you see a group of road workers 4 men and 1 woman. The men are doing the road work and the woman is holding the sign. Among firefighters the female firefighters stay with the truck while the men climb the ladders or knock down the doors.

Also, I loathe Monopoly. There are so much better board games out there....

 

on the same subject, there's also this one: