Tutorial Seraphon List for GHB2020

2×6 terradonts definitly better then 1x9! I wanna ad starseer but no points. Maybe worth put 15 chame instead of 20?

 

So pretty much every single game I have played since the release of our new tome I have brought along 5 Guards to help my Kroak/Slann out (Starborne list) in case they were under fire as a "core part" of my lists. Truth to be told though, it has almost never mattered - At least in the first couple of turns of any battle. This could be due to me not really facing a whole lot of Tzeentch/KO/CoS with Irondrakes etc./LRL.

How important and must-have do you guys feel Guards are from actual experience on the tables? In my list Im really looking at somehow gaining 100ish points, hence I took a hard look at Guards and considered not fielding them in my list but instead summon them turn 2 (4D3 CCP per turn in my list, so quite reliable) for 10 CCP in case it is an army I need it against.

Interesting but I think I would have to see a battle report of the actual game to really understand and see the usefulness of the Terradons. It still sounds like to me that 40 Skinks can do the same job just fine since the MW output is pretty close, yet Skinks got superior consistent damage and much better at holding objectives. 1 unit of 40 Skinks will have run and shoot = Up to 17" move + 16" shooting range turn 1. The other unit can be LoSaT'd.

You should record your games!

 

honestly i don't think guard are as mandatory as many say. they era a good counter to alpha strikes and any opponent who know this game is going to kill kroak if you let him and guard are great to keep that from happening. this is even more important with the new battle plans forcing you to spread out. but and this is a big but i don't use kroak i use a standard slann in my lists and while useful to me their is very little reason to keep him alive after i drop my troops turn one and if my opponent can kill him before that happens i just don't put them in the sky. even if you do use kroak i think that we have enough cheep troops to skreen our units well and he doesn't need guard to keep him alive only dedicated shooting or deep strikes can hope to kill him and if you let 30 iron drakes get in range then 5 guard will not save him.
is it good to have guard? yes but i don't think they are mandatory against any one but KO maybe if they also protected the rest of our heroes guard would be useful but i don't see it at the moment.

 

I ran Kroak without guard several times and he survived just fine. They were friendly games, however, and the feeling of redundancy of guard maybe caused by the fact that their mere presence denies the wish to target Kroak.

As Erta mentioned, you can get out of range of most shooting stuff turn 1, but Kharadrons will get you, and guard will make difference here. Same with mirror match-ups (teleporting 40 skinks) and new SCE single drop builds.

 

I have only played vs KO in AOS since its just my brother and I who we know play AOS. Keeping my heroes alive has always been a major issue so 5 Gaurds vs KO are mandatory, I'm contemplating taking 10! Even thinking of bringing a trog for extra wizard durability vs KO

 

Guys what do you think in thunderlizard list posted here to play engine of the god instead on skink chief on stegadont? You can une 1 cp for 2 basti shoot and 1 to 2 engine ability to try to summon more saurus!!

 

LizardWizard and I have discussed this before and we came to the conclusion that the skink chief is just more consistent. Personally I think it would be a lot of fun, but spending a CP on something totally random is not competitively viable.

 

How does the Kroak pass off actually work? Can you roll first for the 4+ fnp, and if that fails pass off on a 2+. Or do you have to immediately have to pass it of when you fail your regular save? The wording on the scrolls kinda point to the first. But the general rules; finishing 1 warscroll before hopping to another (old faq I believe), if its both ‘during’ (not start or end) they player may choose, might say the latter.

 

The Saurus Guards warscroll states you get to use the ability before you allocate a wound. The 4+ FNP on Kroak says you get to roll a dice when you allocate a wound. Hence you must pass off on a 2+ first because it happens at the stage before you start allocating damage to a model. The 4+ FNP is used after you allocate the damage.

 

Thats how I interpret it aswel when following the plain english wording. But GW has a way of wording things randomly with words like ‘before’ or ‘when’ when RAI they mean the same. Guess I just hope it is the other way around

 

@LizardWizard
So I've been absent of AoS for awhile, my FLGS is about to start a 1500 pt League soon. Since I'm super new to AoS Seraphon, I was just going to borrow one your lists until I get a handle of the army. Would you suggest finding a 2k list I like and remove 500 pts or one of the 1k lists and adding 500 pts. Or is there a different list that anyone might suggest I use to figure this stuff out?

 

I played way back in 7th and I played what was meta so I have pretty close to 60+ Saurus (mostly clubs) and near 40 temple guard. Skinks unfortunately were not a huge part of the meta back then, so maybe about 40ish of those guys. I've got three Slann lol, but no Kroak because he was WAY over costed back then. I have two EoGs because they just came out and a carnosaur. I recently built an oracle on troglodon, and 6 terradon riders. I also own a version, if you will, of each current Saurus hero. I also just ordered a star priest and a skink priest with the cloak of feathers. And two salamander hunting packs. I think that's it

 

I am running a list with 40 skinks and 5 more 10 unit of skinks with 12 Terradons.
I agree Terradons are good and fun. Also difficult to play and you need skills to use them right. Position is key.
Unfortunately, I had a very limited time to practice with them yet. So I see the next tournament as my first competitive practice day with the..