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AoS General's Handbook finally announced !!

I just did the math for one of my lists.
Almost all units got cheaper and bataillons became more expensive. In the case of my Eternal Starhost list it means it got ten points cheaper.
Will do the math for the rest of my lists soon.

Bottom line: I think I like most of the changes for now but if we dont get anything that helps us against mortal wounds or makes us cause some more we will not be competitive.

Oh, and Yeah! Another box with SCE, we needed that urgently!
 
Aginor said:
I just did the math for one of my lists.
Almost all units got cheaper and bataillons became more expensive. In the case of my Eternal Starhost list it means it got ten points cheaper.
Will do the math for the rest of my lists soon.

Bottom line: I think I like most of the changes for now but if we dont get anything that helps us against mortal wounds or makes us cause some more we will not be competitive.

Oh, and Yeah! Another box with SCE, we needed that urgently!
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Where did you get the points from? The link posted before I can only see shifthawk and sylvaneth
 
Aginor said:
I just did the math for one of my lists.
Almost all units got cheaper and bataillons became more expensive. In the case of my Eternal Starhost list it means it got ten points cheaper.
Will do the math for the rest of my lists soon.

Bottom line: I think I like most of the changes for now but if we dont get anything that helps us against mortal wounds or makes us cause some more we will not be competitive.

Oh, and Yeah! Another box with SCE, we needed that urgently!
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Mine got 130 points more expensive! Whats in your list?
 
Ok I did some more math.
Here is my Eternal list with the old points:


Allegiance: Order
Saurus Eternity Warden (140)
Skink Priest (100)
- Priestly Trappings
Skink Starpriest (100)
5 x Saurus Guard (100)
5 x Saurus Guard (100)
5 x Saurus Guard (100)
10 x Chameleon Skinks (240)
1 x Razordons (60)
Eternal Starhost (80)

Total: 1020/2000



So it was 1020.
Now if I am not mistaken we have
- Eternal +50
- Priest -20
- Starpriest -20
- Razordon -20
--> so this makes it 1010 points. Still not ok but I could just drop the Razordon if I play against a points lawyer.

Next list soon.
 
My Shadow and Thunder list (old points)


Allegiance: Order
Skink Chief (60)
- General
- Golden Sickle & Blowpipe
- Trait: Master of Defense
Skink Starpriest (100)
40 x Skinks (320)
- Boltspitters & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (80)
- Boltspitters & Star Bucklers
5 x Saurus Knights (120)
- Lances
3 x Terradon Riders (140)
- Sunleech Bolas
2 x Razordons (120)
3 x Skink Handlers (40)
Bastiladon (300)
Stegadon (260)
Troglodon (200)
Shadowstrike Starhost (120)
Thunderquake Starhost (120)

Total: 1980/2000



Now we have
- Thunderquake +50
- Shadowstrike +50
- Troglo -20
- Basti -20
- Stega -20
- 40 Skinks -120
- 10 Skinks -20
- Starpriest -20
- Knights -20
- Terradons -20
I assume the Skink Chief stays as it is.
So we get the whole list at 160 points less, so we end up at 1820 points. Enough for another Troglodon or lots of other stuff such as 30 Skinks extra.
 
I hope some of our traits will help us deal more damage or/and take more damage. Or perhaps the new Fangs of Sotek starhost will give us a chance to deal more mortal wounds? Though it is pretty cheap.
 
Guys, I REALLY like these changes to points, from what I can see! They all sounds quite reasonable to me, honestly... a part from one:
the Bastiladon's decrease.
I would have bet it would have been raised, but actually it has come from 300 to 280 (if I've seen correctly from my smartphone).
 
Yep. Actually I think thats a good change. He may be a tank but his damage output is not reliable so the decrease is just right IMO.

I am almost hyped by the points changes.
Most are exactly as written up by me (and others) a while back.
I will probably have to build another box of Skinks now. Those might help against mortal wound spammers. Lots of wounds to use as a tarpit.
 
I can't believe they didn't decrease saurus guard points. 100 for 5 is still rediculous. They'll still probably sit on my shelves unless we get a decent bonus from the allegiance abilities.

I love that carnosaurs got a decrease, especially the Oldblood, he was far too expensive. Shame about all the battalions going up, some of them now might be too expensive. 200 points for the Bloodclaw? Thats a lot, even with the decrease to the costs of some of the units. Shadowstrike now at 220 too is also jarring. What are they trying to do? Force us out of using formations? And the Oldblood on foot went up 20 points? Not exactly like anyone was taking him anyway.

This is a bit of a dissapointment really, I would have hoped that the book would solve some of our problems, but it seems to have made it worse in some places. Still though, wait until allegiences come out, maybe there we can salvage something to drag us back to the competitive scene, like these new formations, that have managed to be dirt cheap.
 
Meatgrinder said:
I can't believe they didn't decrease saurus guard points. 100 for 5 is still rediculous. They'll still probably sit on my shelves unless we get a decent bonus from the allegiance abilities.

I love that carnosaurs got a decrease, especially the Oldblood, he was far too expensive. Shame about all the battalions going up, some of them now might be too expensive. 200 points for the Bloodclaw? Thats a lot, even with the decrease to the costs of some of the units. Shadowstrike now at 220 too is also jarring. What are they trying to do? Force us out of using formations? And the Oldblood on foot went up 20 points? Not exactly like anyone was taking him anyway.

This is a bit of a dissapointment really, I would have hoped that the book would solve some of our problems, but it seems to have made it worse in some places. Still though, wait until allegiences come out, maybe there we can salvage something to drag us back to the competitive scene.
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Shadowstrike is at 170 points, still a tad expensive though.

Does anyone have a leak for our other Allegiance triats, as well as the new batallions?
 
Meatgrinder said:
Shadowstrike now at 220 too is also jarring.
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Shadowstrike is only 170. So if you play it with Skinks and Terradons it actually gets a lot cheaper, like in the example I posted above. With Rippers and Chameleons it gets a bit more expensive but that's quite a strong combo.
 
Aginor said:
Shadowstrike is only 170. So if you play it with Skinks and Terradons it actually gets a lot cheaper, like in the example I posted above. With Rippers and Chameleons it gets a bit more expensive but that's quite a strong combo.
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Ahah, I misread it in my haste, but still, 50 points more is still a substantial increase. Seems some formations went up 100 but others only 50, Im curious too see what the reasoning behind it is, as it seems like a blanket increase to all formations.
 
Next list example, a fun cavalry list with Firelance formerly at 1000 points


Allegiance: Order
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (320)
- Artefact: Obstinate Blade
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (260)
- General
- Warblade
- Trait: Reckless
- Artefact: Quicksilver Potion
5 x Saurus Knights (120)
- Lances
5 x Saurus Knights (120)
- Lances
5 x Saurus Knights (120)
- Lances
Firelance Starhost (60)

Total: 1000/1000


Now we have:
- Firelance +50
- Saurus Knights 3x -20
- Scar Vet on Carno -20
- Oldblood on Carno - 40

That is sixty points cheaper which allows you to.... dunno. Bring some Skinks as chaff or maybe a Razordon. Something like that.
 
Here's a readable table of the point-changes for Seraphon:

Unit.............Min.......Max.......Cost......Diff
Razordons.........1.........4.........40.......−20
Salamanders.......1.........4.........40.......−20
Skinks............10........40.......60/200....-20/-120
Saurus Warriors...10........40......100/360....0/-40
Bastiladon........1.........1.........280......−20
Stegadon..........1.........1.........240......−20
Troglodon.........1.........1.........180......−20
Lord Kroak........1.........1.........450......−90
Saurus Oldblood...1.........1.........120......+20
Skink Priest......1.........1.........80.......−20
Skink S-priest....1.........1.........80.......−20
EOTG..............1.........1.........220......−20
Old on Carno......1.........1.........280......−40
Scarv on Carno....1.........1.........240......−20
Kroxigor..........3.........12........160......−20
Saurus Knights....5.........20........100......−20
Terradon Riders...3.........12........120......−20

Battallions............Cost......Diff
Bloodclaw Starhost.....200.......+100
Dracothion's Tail......60........NA (New)
Eternal Starhost.......130.......+50
Fangs of Sotek.........100.......NA (New)
Firelance Starhost.....110.......+50
Heavenswatch...........200.......+100
Shadowstrike...........170.......+50
Starbeast Const........220.......+100
Sunclaw Starhost.......130.......+50
Thunderquake Host......170.......+50

Edit: Formatting.
 
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