AoS NEW *rumor*

[Putzfrau]

Speaking of that. I've been enjoying the show, locally and online, with popcorn in hand.
Watching people freak and cry, even over a change that's only going to improve the game, has made me smile today.

(Show being the absolute meltdown Space Marine and Dark Angel players that don't know how to adjust are having.)

I feel for the Dark Angel's players, they are borderline and getting nerfed basically just because iron hands and imperial fists are gross.

I think overall the changes are fine, but I blame GW. Iron hands should never have been released in the form they were in and everyone knew that except GW apparently.

Anyone who didn't see marines getting slapped was intentionally being ignorant. You could see marines getting nerfed from four thousand miles away.

 

[Erta Wanderer]

They literally just took 4th at the heat.

And the guy who did it (ian from justplay) doesnt even play the army. Mawtribes are a good army and with a little luck can easily podium.

Saying they have "one good warscroll" is just blatantly not true... even tho Ian's list basically only took one warscroll

Tzeentch are also worse than slaanesh ever was, simply because its such a horrendous playing experience.

what was the list? my gues is 4-6 stone horns but i'll keep an open mined. but for the most part they just seem to be destruction IDK which wile competitive is not a good book. the argument is not whether it can win but is it balanced (lustria giant whanted our book to be like it) and having most of your book be pointless filler is not balanced. the parallel would be our carnasuars reck people but the rest of the army is useless. that would be a tragity it would just be the curent skink spam but with a different unit.

 

[Putzfrau]

what was the list? my gues is 4-6 stone horns but i'll keep an open mined. but for the most part they just seem to be destruction IDK which wile competitive is not a good book. the argument is not whether it can win but is it balanced (lustria giant whanted our book to be like it) and having most of your book be pointless filler is not balanced. the parallel would be our carnasuars reck people but the rest of the army is useless. that would be a tragity it would just be the curent skink spam but with a different unit.

It was 4 stone horns and 6 mournfangs basically.

I just dont think calling mawtribes horrible is fair. Any army that can place top 5 in a heat is not horrible. If seraphon got a "mawtribes" treatment we would be in a significantly better place than we are.

 

[Erta Wanderer]

It was 4 stone horns and 6 mournfangs basically.

I just dont think calling mawtribes horrible is fair. Any army that can place top 5 in a heat is not horrible.

thats fair but the book failed the faction is good(again entirely because of stone horns) but gut buster players where left out in the cold so many models that you shouldn't play. when your faction has so many cool models but they are all terrible is that a good thing? it sounds like what we are dealing with now and we can reach the top 10 we even hit top 3 a few times in the last 8 months. are we still a good book just because skink spam is hard to deal with or are we both sub par floating by on a few good gimiks?

 

[Putzfrau]

thats fair but the book failed the faction is good(again entirely because of stone horns) but gut buster players where left out in the cold so many models that you shouldn't play. when your faction has so many cool models but they are all terrible is that a good thing? it sounds like what we are dealing with now and we can reach the top 10 we even hit top 3 a few times in the last 8 months. are we still a good book just because skink spam is hard to deal with or are we both sub par floating by on a few good gimiks?

I disagree. Mawtribes are a significantly better book than seraphon. They arent a subpar book floating on gimmicks, they are a good book with one very strong build... which is the case for a vast vast majority of armies.

And yes, I do think seraphon are a goodish book. I cant recall a top 3 placing in the last 8 months, last years adepticon was the best weve done and that was a year ago.

 

[Erta Wanderer]

I disagree. Mawtribes are a significantly better book than seraphon. They arent a subpar book floating on gimmicks, they are a good book with one very strong build... which is the case for a vast vast majority of armies.

And yes, I do think seraphon are a goodish book. I cant recall a top 3 placing in the last 8 months, last years adepticon was the best weve done and that was a year ago.

we hit 3rd 3 times since the last GHB

 

[Putzfrau]

Yeah, but what tournaments were they. Also, if you look at more recent stats, mawtribes place better and have a better win percentage.

Regardless, I don't think seraphon are a horrible army either. Mawtribes is not a horrible book by any stretch of the imagination and has at least 1 very competitive build. You could say fyreslayers are a subpar army getting by on a gimmick because they basically have one viable army build. Not a whole lot of variation in good fyreslayer lists but its still probably a top 3ish army in the game.

I guess all I'm saying is, I dont need seraphon to be bonereapers to be happy with the new book. If they did literally nothing but give us chapter tactics or spawning rules or whatever aos calls them id be happy, and wed be a moderately competitive army.

 

[ChapterAquila92]

Speaking of that. I've been enjoying the show, locally and online, with popcorn in hand.
Watching people freak and cry, even over a change that's only going to improve the game, has made me smile today.

(Show being the absolute meltdown Space Marine and Dark Angel players that don't know how to adjust are having.)

Indeed. As a HH Salamanders player trying to get in on 8e 40k myself, I couldn't help but "fan the flames" a little before commenting on the need to having a more varied list so as to avoid having your entire army being cripplingly overspecialized.

 

[Batch]

Thought I'd just add, saw a couple of pages back that nothing is getting in and out of China due to the virus. While that was true last week, I work in the Postal System here in Australia and from Wednesday things have started flowing in and out again but with a 7-14 day delay.

So things Tome related could be moving again.

 

[Canas]

Thought I'd just add, saw a couple of pages back that nothing is getting in and out of China due to the virus. While that was true last week, I work in the Postal System here in Australia and from Wednesday things have started flowing in and out again but with a 7-14 day delay.

So things Tome related could be moving again.

yeah, stuff should be starting up again in china, but now other places are tightening their customs, so while it might've left china it might still get stuck at say the EU borders as we now go through the entire circus...

 

[Jason839]

I feel for the Dark Angel's players, they are borderline and getting nerfed basically just because iron hands and imperial fists are gross.

I think overall the changes are fine, but I blame GW. Iron hands should never have been released in the form they were in and everyone knew that except GW apparently.

Anyone who didn't see marines getting slapped was intentionally being ignorant. You could see marines getting nerfed from four thousand miles away.

I’m excited! things keep getting better and better for my tau. Got a reason to play with my ghost keel now that is denies deep strikes. Farsight enclaves became amazing and gave me a reason to play crisis suits again. And now my broken iron hands opponents can only devastator doctrine turn 1 when I am hiding all my stuff and I have the cps for the minus to hit. They will kill a couple drones and that will be that. Great day for the mech lovers.

yeah, stuff should be starting up again in china, but now other places are tightening their customs, so while it might've left china it might still get stuck at say the EU borders as we now go through the entire circus...

unfortunately I live in the US and we are starting to get it now so I imagine everything imported will still get held up in customs for a while here.

 

[Dreamkeeper]

I wish they just release Faction Focus, release the book in online store and say something like - "Guys, sorry, due to a virus in China we have a print book shortage. We will sell them when we will be ready."
Anyway, most of the people I know use .epub or .pdf rules and army warscrolls from AoS app. I have printed GHB19 and Core Rules, but apart from that - everything digital.
And I think I will buy digital copy of new battletome anyway, so...

 

[Batch]

I wish they just release Faction Focus, release the book in online store and say something like - "Guys, sorry, due to a virus in China we have a print book shortage. We will sell them when we will be ready."
Anyway, most of the people I know use .epub or .pdf rules and army warscrolls from AoS app. I have printed GHB19 and Core Rules, but apart from that - everything digital.
And I think I will buy digital copy of new battletome anyway, so...

They're probably aware that some people purchase the epubs and share them around 4chan being one of those places they cant control. I imagine they want to gain as many purchases as they can from physical books, to tempt some of us...I know all of us here will buy the book but some infrequent player will go the easier or cheaper option if made available to them.

 

[ILKAIN]

I’m excited! things keep getting better and better for my tau. Got a reason to play with my ghost keel now that is denies deep strikes. Farsight enclaves became amazing and gave me a reason to play crisis suits again. And now my broken iron hands opponents can only devastator doctrine turn 1 when I am hiding all my stuff and I have the cps for the minus to hit. They will kill a couple drones and that will be that. Great day for the mech lovers.




unfortunately I live in the US and we are starting to get it now so I imagine everything imported will still get held up in customs for a while here.

the US is going to overreact... the virus has a 98% survival rate in rural china... where there is crap medicine and their government doesn't just not care for them, they actively attack them. if you read up on corona, its actually so much like SARS its not even funny... and that's now a joke on south park lol.
I live on the east coast of the US.

 

[Lustrian Giant]

Eastern Canada, trade city. No reason to be worried

 

[I<3Lizards]

the US is going to overreact... the virus has a 98% survival rate in rural china... where there is crap medicine and their government doesn't just not care for them, they actively attack them. if you read up on corona, its actually so much like SARS its not even funny... and that's now a joke on south park lol.
I live on the east coast of the US.

Don't comment often, but just wanted to address this idea.

I would caution against underestimating how severe a 2% mortality rate can be. Especially with something as infectious as the flu or this coronavirus. If this is not properly contained and say 10 million people are ultimately infected worldwide, a 2% mortality rate is two hundred thousand lives lost. That is more people than the amount that live in 98% of U.S (only 310 U.S. cities have a population > than 100,000).

Even if treatment can be better in other parts of the world, say the mortality rate drops to 1%, I would still say this coronavirus is very concerning based on how infectious it is.

 

[Dreamkeeper]

Don't comment often, but just wanted to address this idea.

I would caution against underestimating how severe a 2% mortality rate can be. Especially with something as infectious as the flu or this coronavirus. If this is not properly contained and say 10 million people are ultimately infected worldwide, a 2% mortality rate is two hundred thousand lives lost. That is more people than the amount that live in 98% of U.S (only 310 U.S. cities have a population > than 100,000).

Even if treatment can be better in other parts of the world, say the mortality rate drops to 1%, I would still say this coronavirus is very concerning based on how infectious it is.

You know the funny part? Here in Russia authorities saying that everything is fine and no one is sick. But here, in Saint-Petersburg, in subway I see many peoples sneezing and coughing. I'm already covering my face and washing my hands and smartphone when I'm coming home, but man - it's kinda scary.

 

[Carnikang]

You know the funny part? Here in Russia authorities saying that everything is fine and no one is sick. But here, in Saint-Petersburg, in subway I see many peoples sneezing and coughing. I'm already covering my face and washing my hands and smartphone when I'm coming home, but man - it's kinda scary.

Could have sworn I heard a story about two women escaping quarantine in Russia when this was all starting.

But to consider the virus, it's not going to affect release for us, as I have said before. It will have an impact on economy and travel, as it has already.
The most concerning part of it is how easily it spreads, and how deadly it is to young, old, and infirm patients. Those affected by it continue to carry it for a while after as well, if I heard right.
Just a few cases present currently in the US has me being extremely wary of my dailey routine. I run a route that interacts with lots of low income homes, where poor diets, hygiene, and cramped living is very common. And many of those residents work in food service, so can't take the time they need to get better for fear of losing what they do have, and have to often take public transportation. Once the virus hits one of those smaller apartment complexes, it could blossom out of hand.

Didn't Japan just close schools for a month because of this?

 

[Dreamkeeper]

Could have sworn I heard a story about two women escaping quarantine in Russia when this was all starting.

But to consider the virus, it's not going to affect release for us, as I have said before. It will have an impact on economy and travel, as it has already.
The most concerning part of it is how easily it spreads, and how deadly it is to young, old, and infirm patients. Those affected by it continue to carry it for a while after as well, if I heard right.
Just a few cases present currently in the US has me being extremely wary of my dailey routine. I run a route that interacts with lots of low income homes, where poor diets, hygiene, and cramped living is very common. And many of those residents work in food service, so can't take the time they need to get better for fear of losing what they do have, and have to often take public transportation. Once the virus hits one of those smaller apartment complexes, it could blossom out of hand.

Didn't Japan just close schools for a month because of this?

Yeah, I heard about two girls. Wild.
I know in Moscow they now restricting room change in schools - every class now must be in one room. To prevent movement and potentially decease transportation.
Isn't that was in South Korea? Not Japan.

 

[Carnikang]

Yeah, I heard about two girls. Wild.
I know in Moscow they now restricting room change in schools - every class now must be in one room. To prevent movement and potentially decease transportation.
Isn't that was in South Korea? Not Japan.

South Korea has stopped joint operations with US for safety reasons, but I'm pretty sure Japan closed schools for a month. SK may have done the same.
I remember Japan specifically because I heard a joke about the US catching up in math on a comedy news channel while I was doing some reading.

My wife says I'm paranoid, but fuck if I'm going to let my family get it or the flue. As I'm the primary 'pathogen highway' with the majority of them to the greater community as a whole, it's mostly on me to be paranoid about infection.