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The Shrine to Lost Armies

Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
I didn't know that it affected both rider and mount. That would actually be unrealistic because either the mount would take the full force of the cannonball and die but the rider would be spared, or the rider would take the full force of the cannonball and be knocked off his mount. I agree that randomising would make it more fair.
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Killer Angel said:
And that was one of the reason why 8th wasn't so much friendly to us...
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It just meant that most competitive lists avoided including Carnos, Stegs, Bastiladons and Troglodons... which is a shame.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
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That rule is actually absolute nonsense when it comes to bouncing cannonballs. I can see why this would occur for a template like a flame thrower or a dragon's breath because the flames would come into contact with both rider and mount, but a cannonball is just one object, it can't be everywhere at once like flames can. Bad show GW!

NIGHTBRINGER said:
It just meant that most competitive lists avoided including Carnos, Stegs, Bastiladons and Troglodons... which is a shame.
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Good job I don't play competitively anyway because I have a Carno, Steg and Basti who would all come a cropper.
 
Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
That rule is actually absolute nonsense when it comes to bouncing cannonballs. I can see why this would occur for a template like a flame thrower or a dragon's breath because the flames would come into contact with both rider and mount, but a cannonball is just one object, it can't be everywhere at once like flames can. Bad show GW!
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I couldn't agree more.
 
Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
I didn't know that it affected both rider and mount. That would actually be unrealistic because either the mount would take the full force of the cannonball and die but the rider would be spared, or the rider would take the full force of the cannonball and be knocked off his mount. I agree that randomising would make it more fair.
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Agreed
 
Dragonfire said:
Tomb Kings forever! Same with Chaos Dwarves! :D
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I agree too - there should be more Chaos Dwarf players around. I like the idea that rather than just being evil versions of the Dwarfs they also have different themes. Their historical theme is more Persian and Babylonian, compared to the regular Dwarfs being obviously based on Scandinavia. Furthermore, the Chaos Dwarfs embody the dark side of industrialisation, which in itself different to, say, the Warriors of Chaos, who focus more on just destroying things/magically messing them up/riddling them with disease/killing them in fits of ecstatic agony and seizing power, the Beastmen who just want to destroy anything that has some semblance of order and the Daemons of Chaos who have more or less the same aims as the Warriors but in a more Daemonic way.

Why didn't Chaos Dwarfs get much support? They're much more interesting than armies like the Empire and Vampire Counts. Right from the start their army book was only a White Dwarf exclusive rather than a mainstay book.
At least Mantic seem to have full support for them as a KoW army, and stock all the main troops Chaos Dwarf players need, so that they only need to turn to Forge World to get the artillery pieces.
 
Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
Why didn't Chaos Dwarfs get much support?
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At least they got featured in this lovely book:

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Your point does stand though. GW never fully embraced them. And they are more interesting than Empire or VC.
 
It is rather unfortunate that the Chaos Dwarfs didn't see more support, over time. I so love their overly elaborate hats, and their silly looking Lammasus. Seriously, those hats, they're like spiky, metal, many-layered cakes. I did always wonder what was up with their god, Hashut. Is he some minor Chaos God, or just something they made up? It was never made clear to me in any of the stuff I read. I'd assume him to be a real entity, because giant flaming bulls and Centaurs, but he never seemed to make an appearance at any point.
 
TheSkeptic said:
It is rather unfortunate that the Chaos Dwarfs didn't see more support, over time. I so love their overly elaborate hats, and their silly looking Lammasus. Seriously, those hats, they're like spiky, metal, many-layered cakes. I did always wonder what was up with their god, Hashut. Is he some minor Chaos God, or just something they made up? It was never made clear to me in any of the stuff I read. I'd assume him to be a real entity, because giant flaming bulls and Centaurs, but he never seemed to make an appearance at any point.
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Hashut is a minor Chaos God - the god of fire, greed, tyranny and darkness. Some think he's an Arch-Daemon and others think he is another being altogether who was spawned by the Great Catastrophe, but it is generally seen that he is another Chaos God.

NIGHTBRINGER said:
But the game is not the same. WFB > KoW
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But you can still use many of the Chaos Dwarf minis that Mantic supplies in games of fantasy. In 7th Ed for instance they still had a set of profiles of the Chaos Dwarfs dating from 4th Edition. Furthermore there is an unofficial Chaos Dwarfs 8th Ed book produced by one of the folks from Chaos Dwarfs Online - you can see it here:
http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/pdf/Chaos-Dwarfs_Thommy-H_8th.pdf
Bearing in mind it isn't likely anyone will get a game of Fantasy at a GW store or event anymore, unofficial army books can be used more often in games (one perk of GW ditching Fantasy for AoS). I would just recommend doing a little playtesting just to make sure it's fair and then you'll be away - Mantic Chaos Dwarfs are more reminiscent to the GW prices in the old days of 7th-8th Fantasy, so it'll save your wallet a good deal of pain compared with Forge World. Besides, I imagine it's only the strictest wargames clubs that don't allow unofficial rules, and I imagine you could go somewhere else other than those strict clubs to play with Chaos Dwarfs.
 
Lord-Marcus said:
Anyone remember the old Albion caster? I wish they had given him an army of elementals
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The Truthsayer, you mean? I would have preferred it if they did a magical Celtic army alongside him. That would have been great - much better than the Empire.
 
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